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Let God’s Favor Be On You, as it is in Heaven
“May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.” (LEB Matt 6)
Deduction is an application of knowledge. It is the necessary inference from premise to conclusion. If the premises are true, then the conclusion is true. Deduction does not manufacture new information, not already in the premises, and magically puts into the conclusion like all induction does. If Paul says in Romans 3 that, “(1.) All humans have sinned.” Then I can say, “(2.) Oshea is a human; thus, (3.) Oshea has sinned.” This conclusion is what the Bible asserts, because the information in the conclusion, “Oshea has sinned,” is contained in the Biblical premises, “All humans have sinned.” Deduction applies this knowledge to the specific, or points out a small part of information that is already part of the bigger part that is affirmed in Scripture.
When Jesus instructs us to pray, “Your will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven,” this is obviously meant in the broad category of all things about God’s will being done in heaven (which is done without opposition of demons and unbelief and lack of ability in those who are His), to then it being done on earth. If there is a focus about this, it would be about Jesus’ focus of ushering in the Kingdom of God by defeating the devil in both spiritual and natural victories (both forgiveness and healings, healings, resurrections (etc.)).
An appropriate application (or deduction) of this is how this relates to us. Our lives are in heaven, hidden with Jesus Christ (Colossians 3:3). Thus, to pray for God’s will which is in heaven, reminds us that our lives are in heaven, at the right hand of the Power, in Christ.
Think about the actual prayer that follows. Surely, Jesus is giving words to pray that will usher in God’s Will being done on earth? What does He say? Jesus teaches us to pray, “gives us our daily bread, and forgive our sins.” The first two things Jesus teaches us to pray for after asking for God’s Will to be done on earth is for OUR spiritual and material blessing. Since few seem to disagree with God wanting to bless us with spiritual things like forgiveness, we will move on to the other point, “our daily bread.” Some super-duper pious people might think that daily bread about our bear minimum food requirements, but this would be both an intellectual and spiritual mistake.
When we do systematic theology to make sure we are not contradicting other parts of the scripture on the same subject, we read Jesus in the same Sermon saying, “Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we wear?,’ for the pagans seek after all these things. … seek first his kingdom … all these things will be added to you,” (Matt 6:31-33). Jesus teaches that He will give us the material blessings the “PAGANS” seek. The pagans do not seek the smallest possible amount of food, clothes and houses. Jesus wants us to seek His righteousness and by this receive what the pagans want. Thus, receiving our daily bread and God’s will being done in this context is not less than praying for God to help us seek His righteousness, not worry and receive the material abundance that the pagans seek. The prayer is that God is the power and ability to give us this prosperity by His favor, and not by mere human effort. This would make Genies in movies blush, for God is giving wish, after wish, after wish, after wish, without end.
God’s will in heaven, for His Son is to overtly bless His Son with favor (aka “love) and blessings. And so, to pray for God’s Will to be done on earth, is to pray for God to overtly bless us with love (or for us this favor is, “unmerited favor/grace”) and blessings. Sure, it means more than this, but not less than (this is the important part). So, when you pray for God’s will to be done on earth for you, as it is in heaven, remember your life is already in heaven in Christ, because God thinks so. The foundation of being favored is God, not something else. God thought about it, made it a reality in Christ’s atonement, and now considers your life in Christ, at this very moment. This is God’s world, and He does what He wants, and this is what He has done with you. Remember, God is super-abundantly favoring Christ in Heaven, and you are there with Him. For God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, is to have God’s favor rest on you as it rests on Christ in heaven.
Oh what love (favor) God has shown us, that we should be called children of God.
Let Man’s Will be Done on Earth
Matthew 15:28 (LEB)
Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, your faith is great!
Let it be done for you as you [will].”
The Greek here is similar to what Jesus says later in Matthew 26 in His prayer to the Father about letting this cup of the cross pass from Him.
Matthew 26:42 (NKJV) Jesus said, “Your will be done.”
For some reason, the translators, which almost always translates ‘thelo’ and ‘thelema’ (Strongs 2307 and 2309) as “will” puts Jesus’ words to the Canaanite woman as “desire.” (Maybe bias?) Nothing wrong with the word “desire,” but it might hide the fact it is the same meaning that Jesus uses in His own prayer. And thus, to make sure we do not miss the impact of this, we will use the same word of “will” for both verses. It is the same used in the Lord’s prayer, “Your Will be done on earth.”
Jesus referring to the broad category of God’s plan to only minister to the Jews, and not the gentiles, says by implication that it is “not God’s will” to heal her daughter. Jesus further argues that it is wrong to take what belongs to someone else, and then give it to another person. As Vincent Cheung states, she “asserts an argument of faith.”[1] Jesus, God in the flesh, God’s Will in the flesh, the most God centered man who ever lived, does a 180 concerning God’s will. Jesus ignores God’s will and says, “woman, your will be done.” Jesus declares, “let man’s will be done on earth.”
When people have faith in God’s promises, Jesus over and over, affirmed the will of man. This is not some overly makeup guy, sitting in a gold chair on TBN. This was God Himself, in direct verbal revelation, affirming the “will of man,” when man engages God’s promise with faith. Your theology must deal with this. Your theology must include “man’s will being done on earth,” is as God-centered as Jesus Christ is God-centered, because He is the one who taught the doctrine. The issue people have man’s will being done on earth, is that Jesus is too God-centered for them. There is just too much God involved. They hate that God gets to do whatever He wants, and what He wants is man’s will to be done.
When James says in chapter one of his letter that if you have faith you will be given wisdom, he does not say, “only if it is God’s will.” Rather, he says it is man’s accountability to get wisdom from God. If you lack faith, then you will lack wisdom when you ask. And if you failed to get the wisdom, then the accountability is on “your” lack of faith, not the will of God. That is, if you have faith, and you are in a trouble of life that you need some wisdom and you ask, then God’s response is that the will of man (“Lord, I want wisdom”) is to be done on earth. James says the same thing about healing and forgiveness in chapter 5:15. When man’s faith engages the promises of God, then God Himself affirms “let man’s will be done.”
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For more see on this topic, see the essay by Vincent Cheung. (Healing: The Will of Man)
(I am not affiliated with Vincent Cheung.)
[1] Vincent Cheung. Faith Override. 2016
James: FAITH vs Unbelief
The book of James is addressing faith. The thesis for the book of James is, “True faith vs. a false faith (a lie).”[1] That is, “You say you have faith, but do your works prove this only a lie? Have truly assented in your mind the truths of the gospel?” This is the rhetorical question from this book. The letter starts with faith and ends with faith.
A false faith is like a man who looks at a mirror and walks away, forgetting what he looks like–because he never had true assent to begin with. It was a lie of the mouth. Some say they assent to God’s mercy given to them, but they show partiality (prejudice or favoritism) with the rich, the poor and/or their favorite club or group. However, mercy triumphs over judgment. Their assenting is a lie. It exposes that their mind never assented to the Scripture.
Do demons really “believe in God?” If they truly assented to God’s INFINITE power, then why did they side with Satan, thinking they could defeat INFINITE POWER? You cannot believe God is undefeatable and then do “works” that deny God is undefeatable, by challenging Him as if you can beat Him. No. You never believed in God’s power to begin with. Obviously, if your faith is like a demon, you are a worthless piece of trash. You say you have faith, but your works deny it.
If your faith is true and you lack wisdom, then you are able to ask God who gives liberally and you WILL actually receive wisdom from God, because you ask without doubting. James says that you WILL receive wisdom. This is true faith. James defines as getting from God what you ask; this is in direct contradiction who define faith as merely asking and not getting what you ask for because their “God’s Will” fallacy.[2] The Bible says here that real faith is proven not by the act of prayer, but by you receiving a fish for a fish, and wisdom for wisdom. If your faith is true, then your actions will show that you have indeed assented to the truths of God.
What is missed here by some is that if you pray for wisdom, but doubt, and thus not receive the wisdom, then you are disobedience to God’s command. Many who find themselves in this place, rather than admit their lack of faith as disobedience will say, “it was God’s will.” This is disobedience piled on top of more disobedience. It is never God’s will for you not to repent in faith and receive His promise of forgiveness in Jesus. It is God’s standing command give to you. It is never God’s will for you to not receive wisdom by your faith in His promise to give it. It is His standing command to you. If you lack faith; you are in disobedience.
Abraham assented that he believed God, and his actions demonstrated this was indeed true when he was about to sacrifice Isaac at God’s word. If you say you assent to God’s sovereignty, then you will not boast about what you will do tomorrow.
James says in the beginning of the letter to take tribulation and learn endurance. As stated this endurance under hardship is true and good. And we ought to obey God here with true faith. However, it does not stop here. James later brings in Job. JOB. This man had learned endurance and hardship in a severe way; however, false humility will cause many to stop here. What does James say about Job who endured? What does it say? He says this story is about “God’s compassion and mercy!” Well, what does this mercy and compassion look like in the actual context? Was it merely invisible spiritual blessings like forgiveness? No. It is recorded God’s mercy to Job was wealth and health. Indeed, Double wealth and health. This is not coming from some overly makeup guy on TNB, sitting in a gold chair. This is Scripture’s definition of God’s mercy: that Job be the double richest and healthiest man in the entire area. Scripture tells us that God’s mercy is not merely spiritual but physical. Mercy includes health and wealth. And all mercy is by the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Your theology must include this.
If your faith is true and not false, then your faith will both endure hardships of life, and you faith will overcome them, even with double wealth and health. God is a merciful and compassionate God.
If your faith is true and righteous, then like Elijah–who was a mere human like you, who opened up the skies to rain through faith — you can ask and God will both rise a sick man from the bed and they will also be forgiven. Faith is proven not by a prayer, but by you getting what you pray for. Jesus says this over and over again in John 13-16, and James his brother, was merely repeating this teaching. Jesus Christ says the exact answer to your prayer is proof that you are a disciple doing disciple things (John 15). And James says this over and over in this letter. A fish for a fish, No rain for a no rain, rain for a rain, forgiveness for a forgiveness, and healing for a healing.
James 1:2–8 (LEB)
Trials, Testing, and Faith
2 Consider it all joy, my brothers, whenever you encounter various trials, 3 because you* know that the testing of your faith produces endurance. 4 And let endurance have its perfect effect, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking in nothing.
What about a trail that involves
lacking Wisdom for something?
5 Now if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask for it from God, who gives to all without reservation and not reproaching, and IT WILL BE GIVEN to him. 6 But let him ask for it in faith, without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven by the wind and tossed about. 7 For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
What about a trial of sickness?
(James 5:15)
Is anyone among you sick? He should….call….pray….
“AND THE PRAYER OFFERED IN FAITH “WILL” MAKE THE SICK PERSON WELL;
THE LORD “WILL” RAISE HIM UP.
IF THEY HAVE SINNED, THEY “WILL” BE FORGIVEN.”
The command is if you have been blessed, then you “OUGHT” to praise Him. This is not a suggestion. This is also about faith. If you truly believe God has blessed you, then the fruit or work of this faith is praise. It is what God’s precept. Do not keep it to yourself.
If you are sick, the command is to get healed in a prayer of faith. If you failed to get the result of wisdom because of doubt, James tells us to blame our unbelief and not “God’s will,” which so many do. The same with healing. We are still in context of the Letter of James; we are still in his emphasis on our faith vs false faith(unbelief). The subject did not suddenly and magically change to “God’s will,” or decree. It is not a suggestion to get healed. It is not a suggestion to get forgiveness, if you have sinned. It is God’s standing decree and precept, that you by your faith get healed and get forgiveness. If you fail, the accountability and responsibility is on your faith, not “God’s will (decree).” If you believe God has commanded you to be healed, then you will prove this by the work of getting healed by your prayer of faith. If you believe God’s command about forgiveness, then you will prove this by the work, of being born again, by your faith. Because it is God’s standing command to be healed by your faith, then it is always God’s Will(ethic) for you to be healed. Because it is God’s standing command get wisdom by your faith, then it is always God’s Will for you to get wisdom. Always.
James shows God’s kindness, in that our faith is not always mature and strong; and thus, we can call on the elders of the church to help us pray, so that in faith we receive what we ask for. There are 2 quick things to note. One, do not take God’s help and kindness as if it negates God’s command on your faith to acquire from God, that is, your accountability. Second, if the elders of you church attempt to obey this command, (but I have rarely seen it), and their prayers do not commonly bring healing, they are worthless disobedient trash and should be excommunicated. It is the command of God (i.e. God’s will as in ethics) for faith to get the healing (accountability). It is one thing for lay people to be disobedient, but for the elders to be in direct disobedience of God, is inexcusable.
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[1] This basic thesis statement of truth faith verses false faith was brought to my attention by Vincent Cheung.
[2] I call it a fallacy because I see this phrase more than not, used in a category error fallacy by Christians, by mixing up Christian ontology with Christian ethics. Or meaning the right category, but not using the right category in the right context the way the Bible dose.
Make us One Lord: Is to Have What You Pray For
…Sanctify them [purify, consecrate, separate them for Yourself, make them holy] by the Truth; Your Word is Truth.
Just as You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And so for their sake and on their behalf I sanctify (dedicate, consecrate) Myself, that they also may be sanctified (dedicated, consecrated, made holy) in the Truth.
Neither for these alone do I pray [it is not for their sake only that I make this request], but also for all those who will ever come to believe in (trust in, cling to, rely on) Me through their word and teaching,
That they all may be one, [just] as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe and be convinced that You have sent Me.
I have given to them the glory and honor which You have given Me, that they may be one [even] as We are one:
I in them and You in Me, in order that they may become one and perfectly united, that the world may know and [definitely] recognize that You sent Me and that You have loved them [even] as You have loved Me.
… that the love which You have bestowed upon Me may be in them and that I [Myself] may be in them…
John 17:17–23, 26 (AMP)
Here is a question, in context of this prayer (of the dialog that lead up this prayer in John 13-16) how did Jesus define Him being made one in us and us in Him?
It is correct, Jesus made a focus on loving one another in this dialog. However, there was another focus as well. This focus was repeated (if not more) as much as the command to love. What could this be?!
This command was to ask Jesus for anything in prayer and He will give it to you. Before His death Jesus kept focusing the conversation on the fact He was going to give them the Spirit, as He had the Spirit. Jesus kept trying to expand the disciple understanding of their standing and identity as sons of God. Jesus kept repeating that they were to ask and then receive what they ask for! Jesus was about to leave the earth and was passing the torch to His church. They were to pray and by answered prayer defeat the kingdom of the devil (Acts 10:38, Luke 24:49), and usher in God’s kingdom of power and love.
In essence Jesus was making a divide with love between man and man, and love between God and man. Or, horizontal love and vertical love.
We love the church by preferring them as we prefer ourselves with favor; or that is, we wash our feet and so we wash the feet of the elect.
However, how is God’s love united in us and us in Him, in the vertical sense?
…If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.
When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true followers of Mine.
I have loved you, [just] as the Father has loved Me; abide in My love [continue in His love with Me]…
John 15:7–9 (AMP)
Jesus defines the context as “love.” Then defines this love as how His love stays in us and we in Him. The answer given is an antecedent and consequence. This vertical love is maintained by us keeping His word in us. Then the necessary result or proof of His love in us and us in His love, is answered prayers. The proof of God’s love alive in our souls, is getting the very thing we ask for. Many might be repulsed by this, but it is how Jesus defines vertical love in disciples. It was not some overly tan guy, sitting in a over-the-top gold chair on TBN saying this. God said it.
Thus, when Jesus prays Him to be one and united in us, so as to prove God love is in us, you cannot define this without the context of Jesus defining oneness and unity on both the horizontal and vertical love. Paul’s prayer in Ephesians 3 instructs us that our inner man grows stronger as we know and believe in God’s great love for us!
In essence, God proves He is our loving Father and we prove we are His loved children by asking Him to give us what we want, and as a Father He actually gives it to us. He loves us, what other outcome did you expect? This is how we prove our oneness with God, to the world around us. This how we show that God’s love is us and that Jesus is in us, and we in Him. We ask and He gives us whatever we ask from Him. This fruit bearing is proof of His love in us, and us in Him.
My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you… abide in My LOVE
Lord make us one with You, and one with each other. Amen.
No one is that dumb and evil, right?
No Threshold too High or too Low, for God’s Policy of Favor
I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will empower you with inner strength through his Spirit. Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong. And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God. (Ephesians 3:16-19 NLT)
Paul says you grow stronger by understanding and having faith in God’s limitless love for you.
Vincent gives a great definition for God’s love,
“…[Love and hate] are policies of [God’s] thought and action. Since God is impassable, and his mind cannot be disturbed, it means that divine love is not a disturbance of the mind, but an intellectual disposition of favor and mercy. And hate is a disposition of disfavor and judgment…”[1]
Also, God’s has absolute mastery and control of His mind. He only “does what He wills.” Or that is, He only does the polices of thought, He has will do to.
“…Love is not an emotion in the Bible, but a volition. The spiritual man is marked by self-control, and has achieved mastery over his emotions. The mind of God is so integrated that he does only what he wills. As we increase in faith and holiness, our emotion should increasingly come under our conscious control, so that we become excited because we decide to become excited, become angry because we decide to become angry, and we can stop when we decide to stop…”[2]
If we add that to what was just said: Paul says that you grow stronger by believing God’s policy of thought and action of favor for you in Christ.
As in most things a “policy” might have a highest or lowest threshold that triggers the policy. Like a computer program, you might have thresholds that trigger a particular a program to execute. However, the Scripture defines God’s policy of thought and action of favor for His elect as not having something to small or to high that would escape His favor for them from being triggered and applied.
The death of God’s own Son, did not negate God’s policy of thought and action to give favor to His elect, to trigger and engage.
“God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners,” (Romans 5:8 NLT).
Paul argues from this that if God’s policy of favor triggers for such a huge thing, then how much more for the little things.
“Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else,” (Romans 8:32 NLT)”
Jesus also affirms this truth.
Thus, even the smallest things, like counting the your hairs, is not too small to trigger God’s policy of thought and action of favor to His elect.
“What is the price of two sparrows—one copper coin[k]? But not a single sparrow can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it. And the very hairs on your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are more valuable to God than a whole flock of sparrows,” Math 10:30-31)
Thus, no matter what trouble of life today you find yourself in, if you cry out in faith to God, it triggers God’s policy of thought and action of favor. You realize you do not deserve such love? Great! It is unmerited. Your faith qualifies you. Your faith gives you direct access to heaven, to trigger God’s favor for you.
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[1] Vincent Cheung. Systematic Theology. 2010. 78 [] -added by author.
[2] Vincent Cheung. Systematic Theology. 2010. Pg 61.
When all Else Fails, Attack God with Ad Hominem Fallacies
I posted an expert on facebook from Vincent Cheung’s book, “Godliness with Contentment,” (pg.13) about prosperity and the atonement.
…However, we must make a crucial distinction. The Bible never opposes wealth itself, and it never opposes legitimate practices and occupations that produce wealth. As Proverbs 10:4 says, “Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.” In fact, God is one who gives his people “power to get wealth” (Deuteronomy 8:18, ESV). Paul writes that Christ suffered poverty so that we might become rich (2 Corinthians 8:9), and that God would supply our needs according to his glorious riches by Christ Jesus (Philippians 4:19).Therefore, we denounce those who, in the process of refuting the so-called “prosperity gospel,” blaspheme the word of God by their unbelief and tradition. Their rejection of God’s promises is arguably more sinful and destructive than the love of money, because it entails a direct denial of Christ’s atonement – the context of 2 Corinthians 8:9 is financial wealth, not spiritual wealth, just as Matthew 8:17 refers to physical healing, not spiritual healing. The atonement must include health and wealth, or we would remain sick and poor even in heaven. To deny this is to renounce Christ and the Christian faith.
Although the Bible says, “Forget not all his benefits” – that he both forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases (Psalm 103:2-3), faithless theologians and preachers make it a matter of orthodoxy to reject some of his benefits. They preach a different gospel. They refuse his benefits, and refuse to allow others to reach for them. They persecute those who teach God’s people to have faith in his promises, and to depend on him for health and wealth. They spread unbelief and heresy, thinking that they are doing God a favor, but they have become the servants of demons…[1]
I feel confident to say that Vincent teaches that both wealth and health are part of the atonement of Jesus Christ, and that these benefits, like forgiveness of sins, are available to faith.
A person responded with a critique about this saying, (we will call him Billy)
“This is nonsense. What he says denies Jesus’ words in John 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” It demeans the poor woman whom Jesus praised because she gave all she had – which was a tiny gift. It mocks the suffering of the saints (read Hebrews 11, just for one). The only truth I see in it is that God teaches to work, & that in general that brings prosperity to his people. Paul suffered serious health problems, & God denied him healing. We are indeed to depend on God for health & wealth – as Paul did. But that does not mean God will always give it to us – Paul was neither fully healthy nor wealthy. I would not put much confidence to someone who steps so far aside from the full biblical teaching.”
First, I want to say that I do not represent Vincent, nor am I affiliated with him. I do not know how he would respond to this, and if you wish to know, ask him. However, this example is a good one for me to go over how people who go against the Scripture, will often try to defeat you by an onslaught of non-relevant points and arguments. Do not be intimidated; rather, take the knife they tried to stab God’s Word with, and turn it against them, along with your own sword. Here is a maximum that is like Wing Chung. If you see them move toward you, with the same arm you use to defend, attack their central point. Make them defend it. If you sense weakness and they begin to move back, then you still attack their center point. It is right that they defend against the unmovable Word of God that they have conspired against to attack.
I want to give two thoughts about this as we go through it. One is about logic in general. Logically speaking, at every point I am saying to myself, “what does this, logically have to do with that”? They seem to be points of non-relevance, over and over. The second is specific point about ad hominin attacks, which is again a point of non-relevance.
The first point brought up is John 16:33. Jesus said you will have trouble, but to take courage, because He already defeated the world. My first thought is what does this verse logically have to do with refuting the point that prosperity and healing are in the atonement and are accessed by faith? Part of the issue here is defining what Jesus meant by “trouble” and by “I have defeated it.” There are to main categories Jesus dealt with in the gospel of John, and in the immediate context. One is everyday troubles, such as sickness, poverty, demon harassment and (etc.). The other trouble was from persecution for the gospel of Jesus Christ. I will not be dealing with persecution trouble since this is not what Vincent addressed. But needless to say, even in persecution we are not without our weapons. Look at how Paul faced persecution and kept winning against the power of darkness. But that is for another discussion.
If John 16:33 only is referring to “persecution” trouble and Vincent was dealing with the category of everyday troubles, then this verse has no logical connection. If it deals with both, and Jesus “defeating” this only refers to us experiencing this victory in heaven, then this verse again has “no necessary connection” to everyday troubles.
If troubles refers to both(everyday and persecution) and Jesus’ victory has results that effect the present everyday troubles and heaven, then we start to see some logical connections in the right categories.
As for everyday troubles and Jesus’ victory having effects now, the context of John will give us clarity. Jesus says in the SAME chapter (John 16),
I will see you again; then you will rejoice, and no one can rob you of that joy. At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father directly, and he will grant your request because you use my name. “You haven’t done this before. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy. .. you will ask in my name. I’m not saying I will ask the Father on your behalf, for the Father himself loves you dearly because you love me and believe that I came from God.”
Before this passage, Jesus tells the disciples, they will face persecution. And so, we now have two categories. One is persecution. The other is asking for anything, and then receive this anything so that, not God, but “you” will have abundant “joy.” This asking and receive anything, is in the broad category about everything and having joy from it. Thus, everyday troubles is included in this receiving and experiencing joy, if not the main point.
However, John 16 is in an unbroken dialog of Jesus talking to the disciples starting in John 14. Jesus says more on this topic. For example in John 14 it says, “Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it,” (John 14:12-13). Vincent makes a critical observation about what Jesus means by “works” in this passage,
… He made a distinction between his words and his works. If you do not believe because of this thing, then believe because of the other thing. So by his works, he did not mean his words, or his ministry of preaching, but his ministry of miracles. Later in the discourse, Jesus said, “If I had not come and spoken to them…” (15:22), referring to his sermons, and then he said, “If I had not done among them what no one else did…” (15:24), referring to his miracles. He again made a distinction between his ministry of preaching and his ministry of miracles. It is not a matter of emphasis, but in this context, his “works” refer only to his miracles, and exclude his ministry in doctrine and charity.[2]
And so, Jesus command to pray and get anything is particularly referring to His types of miracles. What was one type of miracle Jesus did a large number of? Healing? Sickness and defective bodies and constant pain and suffering is indeed a “trouble.” In Acts 10 Peter says Jesus did good and “healed all” who were oppressed by the devil. The devil is described as troubling the people with oppression of sickness and defective bodies. The devil was a strong man, but Jesus was a much stronger man. The devil pushed but Jesus pushed harder. Jesus’ “works” defeated and overcame these persecutions of the devil. “You will face trouble, but take courage, for I have defeated the world.” The world is under the sway of the devil. Jesus says in John 16 that the “ruler of this world” is judged and defeated by Him.
What about money? Jesus needed some money to pay the price of the temple tax. Jesus told Peter to cast into the sea and he will find a fish with some money in it. “But so that we do not give offense to them, go out to the sea, cast a line with a hook, and take the first fish that comes up. And when you open its mouth, you will find a four-drachma coin. Take that and give it to them for me and you,” (Matt. 27:17 LEB). We are still in the “works” that Jesus did and to which are commanded to do in faith; we are still in the category of how Jesus’ works overcome troubles in everyday life. Jesus used a miracle/work to gain money to pay for a tax. Jesus used a miracle to gain money He and Peter did not work for to pay for tax.
Thus, to use John 16:33 against the use of faith to gain healing and money on the basis of the atonement is Plus Ultra stupid, and battles against Jesus’ direct command to be a disciple.
Billy, then says,
“It demeans the poor woman whom Jesus praised because she gave all she had – which was a tiny gift.”
The idea of category fallacies (which is a fallacy of non-relevance) has already been addressed, but it raises its ugly head again. Thus, what does this have to do with any necessary connection to that? Jesus is praising the woman’s faithfulness to give, even in her poverty. That is all that one might categorically say about this. Jesus said if you seek His Kingdom first, that He will give you monetarily (clothes and house) what the pagans seek after. Who knows, maybe right after this God blessed her with an abundance for seeking His kingdom? Maybe on this one issue the lady lacked faith to receive like she ought? Whatever the reason or whatever happened, we do not know! If the lady lacked faith to receive more money, then Billy’s critique amounts to an ad hominin attack against this precious lady.
Many Christians watch more politics than reading the Scripture and so they are more prone to make ad hominin fallacies(as one sees in the media) than valid deductions from Scripture. Just because person x failed to realize a promise, it is on them, it has no logical connection to God being faithful to do what He said. In fact, Paul in Romans 9 is defending such a point. Jesus in John 6, referring to why they do not believe, is defending this point by saying, the Father has not drawn them. The promise is not affected by millions of personal failures to realize the promise. Just because I failed to realize the promise that God has promised a way of escape from every temptation, it is on me; it has no logical connection to God being faithful to keep His promise. When the disciples could not cast out the demon, because of their little perverted faith, it had no logical connection to God being faithful to keep His promise about faith. Jesus turned around and cast the demon out, doing God’s will, and displaying the absolute certainty of God keeping His promise.
Billy then says,
“It mocks the suffering of the saints (read Hebrews 11, just for one).”
Again, how does Hebrews 11 have a logical connection with refuting the doctrine that healing and prosperity is in the atonement and acquired by faith? What necessary connection do birds have to do with refuting that 2+2=4 ?
Hebrews 11 mentions how person after person acquired healings, lands, wealth, children, great power, military victories and etc. What logical connection is there that refutes what Vincent said? Abraham received great wealth by being blessed by God, to make him a nation. How does that refute wealth by faith, when these examples give wealth by faith? Isaac received 100 fold in a time of trouble. Sure, he planted, but the 100 fold was not natural. It was supernatural. Joseph? Did he naturally earn his wealth as the second most powerful man in the greatest kingdom on earth? Did not God, give supernatural and overly abundant favor to him because of his faith? The woman with Elijah, she did work in the most lose term of working, by actually getting jars and pouring out the supernaturally reproducing oil; however, the whole point of this story is that God gave her wealth supernaturally, apart from her working for it, and on the basis of her faith. When Peter did the first cast, to pull out the piece of money from the fish’s mouth, was it work or recreation? How does receiving money supernaturally by faith refute receiving money by faith?
The last few examples of Hebrews 11 is in the category of persecution for the sake of the gospel. As said before, this is a separate category from everyday troubles. The promises of health and wealth and of victories and helps, largely are about these everyday troubles. Thus, these examples of persecution cannot be used as a necessary connection to refute healing on demand by faith, on the basis of the atonement.
If we mention Hebrews 11, why not also mention Hebrews 4, 8 and 10? Does not the preacher in Hebrews 10, after talking about the eternal priesthood of Jesus and the new covenant(contract), conclude with, “boldly approach the throne of grace.” Hebrews 4 shows us that going to God’s throne is not first about us giving God worship by giving Him something, but us going to Him and worshiping Him by receiving help from Him! We do not give to God, He gives to us. Think about that. The preacher makes the first application of Jesus and new covenant, as us going to God to “receive” unmerited favor for ourselves.
Billy then says,
“Paul suffered serious health problems, & God denied him healing. We are indeed to depend on God for health & wealth – as Paul did. But that does not mean God will always give it to us – Paul was neither fully healthy nor wealthy.”
The second thought I wish to address is Billy’s ad hominem attack, as odd as it seems, against the apostle Paul.
Why would I care, what Paul, personally accomplished in healing? I do not care, because it has no necessary connection to a promise that God has given. Paul was not perfect, and so he still sinned. The promise is that God has provided a way of escape from every temptation. Thus, does Paul’s failure to live perfectly have a necessary connection to refuting the promise? Who is at fault? Who is accountable for this? Who is responsible for this? God? Or Paul?
I do not understand why I need to say this! A person’s failure has no logical connection to God’s truth and promises. This is the same for biblical persons! People in the bible are not exempt from this.
Many so-called Christian are so dominated by media and politics, which use an unending use of ad hominem attacks, think more like the world than Scripture. Politics use ad hominem attacks constantly, and they are stupid for doing so. You should NEVER base your argument on a logical fallacy. So what if Hitler enjoyed and used math, it does not give a necessary connection that math is evil. So what, if Satan uses words to speak, there is no necessary connection that words are bad. I do not care if Peter had a failure and for a time went back to the law, there is no logical connection that the gospel is void, and no logical connection that law saves. Peter’s failure gives no necessary connection that God failed the promise to sanctify us. The failure is on the persons. God promises still stands for those with faith.
Bypassing the issue that there is NO passage in the bible that revealed Paul with a sickness, we will deal with the ad hominem issue, and assume Paul had a sickness, for sake of argument. It is telling that so-called Christians are comfortable with attacking Apostles with ad hominem assaults, to refute doctrines. Do you have no fear of God at all? Even if Paul was sick, so what? To attack him personally, is a logical fallacy. To attack him personally equates, you are NOT logically attacking Scripture’s argument of the promise. You have in essence strawman-ed the Scripture and God’s promises. All you have done is made your argument and yourself pointless. For a clarification about the “thorn in the flesh,” see Vincent Cheung, “A Thorn in the Flesh.”
One common issue with this I find is that some try to extract an ethic from God’s sovereign causality. Why would I care, if God sovereignly caused the disciples not to have enough faith to heal the boy? How does their personal failure have any necessary connection to me today? One category is ontology the other is ethics. God’s promise still stands. The lack of faith is their accountability and responsibility; God’s promise to heal by faith takes no collateral damage due to personal failures in this. You do not get ethics from ontology. Seriously, how stupid and wicked can you be? You get ethics from God’s command and promise, not from what God caused, or what you think God is causing. Do you really enjoy demonic divination so much that you force it upon God’s word?
Stop using God’s Word like Ouija board, you spiritual perverts.
The real horror is that such an attack is ultimately a personal attack against God. What their attack infers is that God’s character is the type of character that will give His beloved sons cancers and poverty, as part of His Divine Nature to do so! It also means an attack on God’s faithfulness in that God will give out cancers and poverty to His elect, even if they ask in faith to have it removed. God’s Word ascribe such things as the devils hate to mankind (Acts 10:38), and as God’s curse upon those He hates (Deut 28). This is not God’s thought to the elect, and it is not his promise to them. His thought is a “policy of thought and action”[3] of favor to them, and His promised action is one of salvation, healing, helping and uplifting for all those who call His Name in faith.
[1] Vincent Cheung. “Godliness With Contentment.” 2013. pg 13.
[2] Vincent Cheung. “Predestination and Miracles.”
Found in Trace. 2018. Pg. 75. (www.vincentcheung.com)
[3] Vincent Cheung. Systematic Theology. 2010. Pg 78
Me: “I am what I am”
Snake Basterds & Loving your Neighbor as Yourself
“But when the set time had fully come,
God sent his Son,
born of a woman,born under the law.”[1]
Some time ago, a famous so-called Christian writer, Joshua Harris, renounced Christianity[2][3] on Instagram. It has caused an uproar. What I found interesting was the comments at a certain pastor’s Facebook page. I assume the commenting friends of the pastor are professed Christians, because most non-Christians do not normally befriend Christian pastors because they like them so much. The pastor had a harsh rebuke for Mr. Harris, because of the dishonor Harris caused by implication, that God’s revelation is false. The comments that followed about this post, were mostly harsh rebukes to the pastor for not “loving” Harris and not rebuking him “privately”—which is logical nonsense, because the persons doing so were both harshly rebuking and publicly rebuking. Harsh rebukes are not loving, so don’t you do it you cruel, heartless, person—as I harshly and dogmatically rebuke you. How much hypocrisy and nonsense one can fit into one small sentence is amazing. LOL! Such thinking is faulty and broken. Do not publicly rebuke people for it is an ethical wrong, while I publicly rebuke you. Dumber than dumb. Both, if their ethics are true, would make them moral monsters themselves, but I digress.
Getting past the Redwood tree sticking out of their eye, the issue for such persons is that emotional and outward displays of gentleness/kindness is primary, and God is secondary. I remember one so-called Christian, after leaving Christianity, updating their religious affiliation on Facebook as, “Kindness.” The one redeeming aspect of this was their honestly. Many have a man-centered view on this aspect of reality. Their final authority is their emotions, God is only a memorial or knickknack. They submit to feelings; they do not submit to God’s Word. They worship man, and God is put under their boots. They use God to promote what “they” think kindness should be. They use God as a steppingstone to elevate man, they do not honor or respect Him.
Genealogy was and still is a big deal to the Jews. There is a reason for all the list of genealogy in the Scripture. It was a bigger deal if you could prove you were a direct descendant of David and Judah, rather than from Dan. If your father was important and you were the first born, you had a larger inheritance. Therefore, calling someone an illegitimate bastard, was to give an insult at a debasing level. This was something that even the Jewish leaders tried to insult Jesus Chris with saying, “who is your father,” knowing the rumors about Mary being pregnant before marriage.
Growing up I thought calling someone a “son of a dog” (aka. An illegitimate bastard of a dog) was about as low as an insult one could get. However, not until I read Jesus calling people bastard children of Satan and bastards of snakes did I realize there was more dehumanizing, more vindictive names to call a human being, “made in the image of God.” Think about this. Jesus did this in ministry time. He did this in front of other people. The people He insulted where important, popular people. He did this, not as God, but as a man under the law. Therefore, pastors call the same type of people snake bastards and Satan bastards, and then do this in a Sunday service—of important people, in front of a crowd. They say this to image bearers of God.
Did Jesus fail the command? Did He fail to love His neighbor? Was He not born under the Royal Law to love your neighbor “as yourself?” This means, this is how Jesus wanted to be treated if the context was reversed. Think about that.
I say, let the disobedience be on the theologians, who have no idea what Peter meant when he says to be gentle in apologetics, rather making Jesus Christ violate the Law. Also, the apostle Paul and John totally violated the “command” for a gentle and respectful speech to others. The Old Testament prophets have many revolting ways (sometimes sexually graphic ways) they insulted unbelievers and persons who resisted the truth. There are so many juicy, dehumanizing and nasty things they said, one could write books time about it. Wait! It was by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It was not only the prophets themselves, but some is direct discourse from God Himself in the nasty, dehumanizing name calling of the Image bearers He created. God did it, the prophets did, the Apostles did and the cornerstone Himself did it.
Paul says to rebuke them sharply. Titus 1:12-14 (NIV), “One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.”[4] Yet, how many disobey and dissent against this command of God? Do you? Paul stereotypes these people in dehumanizing, vile, cruel names. This was his “rebuke” of them. Then commands Titus, and by implication all teachers, to do the same.
Also, Paul says for those who claim to be Christians that we are to publicly judge them (Corinthians 6). We will one day judge angels, and so we are to practice making public judgments of each other in this life. Yet, how many are in willful rebellion to Jesus on this? Do they call Jesus master but willfully disobey Him? If I see this, how much more does God see your disobedience?
How many times did Jesus publicly and harshly name call and rebuke people? He called people pigs, snake bastards, stupid (morons), liars, hypocrites and sons of Satan. Jesus used the Greek work for “moron,” for people who resisted the Scripture and were forfeiting their souls to hell. He called people morons, in front of their peers, and in doing so, Jesus publicly shamed and emotionally embarrassed them. And Jesus did this while, “born under the law” (Galatians 4:4). Jesus, right after name calling the Jews as “liars,” and “Sons of Satan,” asked if anyone can prove He has sinned? That is, sinned according to the Law of Moses. They could not. Therefore, all His harsh rebukes and publicly calling people morons did not break the commandment to “LOVE your neighbor as yourself,” otherwise, He broke the command of God and forgiveness of sins for mankind is lost. The Law of Moses (and prophets) teach we ought to not only love our neighbor, but also love God first, and this includes bringing people to Yahweh as true worshipers.
Did Jesus’ harshness “push people away,” or was Jesus to stupid to know this?
Jude 1:10-13 [LEB]
“…all that they understand by instinct like the irrational animals, by these things they are being destroyed.
11 Woe to them! For they have traveled in the way of Cain, and have given themselves up to the error of Balaam for gain, and have perished[j] in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are the ones feasting together without reverence, hidden reefs at your love feasts, caring for themselves, waterless clouds carried away by winds, late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, uprooted,
13 wild waves of the sea foaming up their own shameful deeds, wandering stars, for whom the deep gloom of darkness has been reserved for eternity. ”
Let us not forget the vileness and creative poetic-ness of the rebukes given to human beings by Jesus and the authors of the N.T.
Apart from the immeasurable, de-humanizing insults Jesus gave when calling people bastards of Satan, I could not insult a person more horrifically, nor as poetically and creatively as Jude his brother. I guess Jude learned from His older half-brother the ins and outs of how to properly give de-humanizing name calling. Even Martin Luther has nothing on Jude. Think about the horrible realty Jude is describing in his vile name calling here. As much, as cruel atheists have tried to name call me in debates, they do not measure to the vileness, dehumanizing and cruel names to which Jude name calls false teachers.
Jude calls them dumb/irrational animals. Not just animals, but dumb animals. As a side note, according to Facebook to refer to a person on the level of an animal to showcase a human as inferior is, “hate speech.” Their standard outlaws the prophets, apostles and Jesus Christ Himself. They are called “Twice dead.” As if being once dead is not enough; they are twice dead? “Up rooted trees.” To say this of a human being created in God’s image is rather the insult. “Waterless Clouds”? Ouch! They are “wild” and “foaming” up their shame? “A wandering star”? Wow! This is a horrible insult to call a human being! Then to merely say hell is not enough for Jude, he needs to really describe hell in a sharper rebuke: “whom the deep gloom of darkness has been reserved for eternity.” Ouch!
Morons or Unwise?
Matthew 23:19, “Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?“
Jesus is calling people morons. There are two Greek words which are translated as fools or foolish (etc) in most Bible translations. One is on the more offensive side, such as moron or stupid. The other means unwise, irrational or ignorant. Here, Jesus is using the more offensive one. The Jewish leaders had forfeited themselves from entering the Kingdom of God. This was due to their moronic and irrational traditions that said such things as, “the gift is greater than the altar.” Christ’s argument was that His Divine Nature, being God, has infinite value, and therefore, this is the altar it makes His human body an acceptable offering to His Father for our sins. In summary, the altar is greater than the gift. Christ was saying only God could save men from their sins, and He was there.
Jesus used this more aggressive word of moron when referring to the stupid virgins who forfeited their soul, Matthew 25:2 “Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish[morons].”
Again, this is in context of taking about ultimate questions of reality. That is, in context of talking about Epistemology, Metaphysics, Logic, and Ethics. In context of these big questions that are revealed by Scripture people reject it. In this context Jesus calls them stupid morons. Jesus is not saying these overtly cruel names to people who dislike His use of Samsung over the iPhone, (not over personal things).
As a contrast, Jesus used the word for “fool” to describe his disciples, but its Greek was not “morons,” but “unwise.” And so, for those who are at least trying to understand but are messing up, Jesus called them “unwise” and “weak in faith.”
There are other times Jesus applies the less harsh form for example in, Luke 24:25, “Then He said to them, “O foolish[irrational] ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!” Jesus Christ is talking in disguise to His disciples right after His resurrection. He is amazed how slow in the head they were in connecting the dots in the Old Testament, which spoke about His death and His glory. As I stated before, it appears that Christ lessens the harshness of His name calling depending now how hard He and His gospel are being resisted. The disciples are trying to understand, yet have totally missed it. Therefore, Jesus calls them irrational and slow to understand, when so much of the Old Testament speaks of God’s Son and the gospel.
People who are willfully not believing and spreading a bad report/unbelief are called MORONS. Those who—even if slow—are at least trying to understand are called UNWISE. To know which, takes some discernment. It does not mean one must always follow this in any one particular case, but that it being a common theme in the N.T. should have some resemblance in a Christian’s own life.
The biblical preachers followed both of Christ’s examples in the use of name calling. To the Galatians, where they seemed to be honestly trying to understand Christ, Paul called them irrational and unwise. Yet, in the book of Romans, to people resisting God so hard they are unwilling to yield to Christ, he calls them morons
Galatians 3:1, “O foolish [irrational] Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?”
Romans 1:22, “Professing to be wise, they became fools [morons].”
Peter and Context.
1 Peter 2:3-14, 3: 13,15-16, LEB
“… Subject yourselves to every human authority for the sake of the Lord, whether to a king as having supreme authority, or to governors as those sent out by him for the punishment of those who do evil and the praise of those who do good…”
.. And who is the one [i.e. authority] who will harm you if you are a zealous adherent for what is good?…
“…always ready to make a defense to anyone [i.e. authority] who asks you for an accounting concerning the hope that is in you. But do so with courtesy and respect, having a good conscience.”
The context is painfully obvious. However, if there is one thing I have learned with so-called theologians is that they and those who scream the loudest to read a verse in context, are the ones who in practice, do not do it.
The context is authority. Do good and authority will most likely praise you. However, if the authority hurts you for being a Christian and for doing good, then you will not lose you reward. On the other hand, if you do evil, then the government is God’s extended authority to punish you.
First, the term, “everyone,” in verse 15 does not mean all people, because the term “all,” or “everyone,” is seldom meant this way in the Bible. Almost always, it is within a context of a particular group. The context of the group here is “human authorities.” For example, in verse 18 it reads, “For Christ also suffered once for sins,.. for the unjust.” The “unjust” does not mean, “all unjust”; rather, this term refers to the particular group in context of Peter’s letter, called the “elect.”
Secondly, one might think verse 8-12 in chapter 3 means there has been a move away in context of “human authorities.” This would be a naïve mistake, and poor reading comprehension. Verse 13 and 14 speak of, “who is the ONE who will harm you,” and, “do not be afraid of THEIR threats.” In context, the one spoken of who has the power to bring harm is the human authority, and the one who has the power to threaten with fear is the human authority.
Third. The Greek word for “defense” or “answer,” is where we get our English word for apologetics. It is a rational defense of the Christian faith. That is, when Jesus in John chapter 8 was doing apologetics. He was preaching and defending the gospel. Jesus did this in a positive proof of the good news. He likewise did so by tearing down the falsehoods and arguments of the Jew. Or as Paul says, “tearing down arguments…that is raised up against the knowledge of God,” 2 Corin.10:4-5. Apologetics includes both.
What does this teaching from Peter 3:15 look like?
Acts 23:3–5 (LEB)
3 Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! And are you sitting there judging me according to the law, and acting contrary to the law do you order me to be struck?” 4 And those who stood nearby said, “Are you reviling the high priest of God?” 5 And Paul said, “I did not know, brothers, that he was high priest. For it is written, ‘You must not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”
Paul does not apologize for the insult or the curse itself, but only apologizes for speaking that way to a human authority.
Conclusion
If there are people willfully teaching bad doctrine or hindering the good doctrine from being heard, then the rebukes become very harsh, even curses. Paul even prayed that the harm the coppersmith did in hindering good doctrine being believed, would be returned back to him. See Jude speaking of false teachers: it is one insult after another. 2 Timothy 4:14 “Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.” In essence, Paul is praying like an vindictive Psalm over this person.
Yes, the vindictive Psalms are still for today. As a superior species of human, as a saint of God, as a co-heir who is seated with Jesus at the right hand of the Power, you have authority to pray such things today.
Whether it be pastors rebuking things they ought, or issues in movies, or business, or politics, many Christians unmask their spiritual perversion and adultery. They show how little they regard truth, and how much they love viewing the world from “their” human observation, emotions and calculations of kindness. They even judge God himself by these human superstitions.
Their god is not Yahweh; rather, their god is their spiritual belly of emotions. Their condemnation is well deserved. May God repay them for the harm they have done to the Church. They have a “man-centered view” on what it means to have a God-centered view of loving your neighbor. This man-centered view of kindness is in first place too them; God is secondary. I know many professed Christians are dumber than bricks, do not know the Scripture and are in willful rebellion to God, but to reject God in disobedience over your emotions is Plus Ultra Stupid.
Jesus was always surprised to see faith in people, because it really is such a richly scarce possession. The same is for today.
“born under the law“
EndNotes—————-
[1] Galatians 4:4
[2] Sexual sins can be forgiven. But to disbelieve God’s word is truth to begin with, means you are not a Christian. It is a horrific dishonor to God, by making God to be a liar and man (as a starting point) truthful.
[3] Harris kept saying phrases like “according to historic Christianity.” In my experience this is often an indicator that one’s epistemology is empiricism (starting with man as a starting point of knowledge (i.e. speculation)), and not Scripture. Any other sin issue that might be exposed later, is secondary to this issue of epistemology.
[4] See Vincent Cheung. Rebuke them Sharply.
