I am still baffled that people, particularly so-called Christians still use ad hominem or personal attacks to discredit their opponent’s doctrine, or what they say. Even as a boy, I noticed the religious leaders doing this to Jesus (who is your father?) and politicians doing it to each other. Maybe some Christians think politicians are good examples for how to argue for the truth, and that is why they imitate them?
Just because my math teacher looks at porn, or is a glutton or steals clothes, does not mean when he teaches me 2 + 2 = 4, that it is false, and that I should not listen to him in class when he teaches math. The stupidity of a personal attack in this example is easy to see, but for some reason I see many Christians employ such arguments constantly. This is particularly the case with critiques against faith teachers. “Beware of such a person, they did “x” or in their past they did “y.”” Seriously, why would I care, in context of their teaching a doctrine? Is this supposed to be an argument against their teaching of faith from Matthew 21:21-22? I find it insulting they think I am stupid enough to think this is a good argument.
Jesus told the man that He healed at Bethesda, “do not sin, or something worse will happen.” What if the man did not stop sinning, and his sickness returned with greater force? Imagine the religious leaders finding him crawling on the ground and then using this as an example to say, “Jesus’ healings are fake,” and “Jesus is cruel for giving false hope to very sick people. Look, here is evidence God’s will is sometimes for us to be sick.” Yet, this is exactly the stupid reasoning they give to discredit the doctrine preached by the faith teachers.
Imagine a person telling their neighbor back in history, “king David committed adultery and murdered a man, and so he is a fu@#$ing hypocrite. He does not know his face from his as@#$ when talking about obeying God, therefore, do not read David’s Psalms. His Psalms are false because he did x and y. When he talks about obeying God’s commands, just ignore these commands, because David does not know or understand what he is talking about.”
Why are people so intellectually defective as to think personal attacks have any logical relevance to doctrine or truth? How can people be this insanely blind?
“For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corin.5:21 LEB).
“Though (Jesus) was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich.” (2 Corin. 8:9 NLT).
The context of 2 Corinthians 8 and 9 is about money. Paul wants the Corinthians to give money so that Paul can give the money to other Christians. Paul even encourages them by saying, “God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others(9:8).” God will provide you with enough money for yourself and even with extra money left over so that you can give money to others. So simple and a child and understand this.
In this context Paul says, Jesus became poor FOR US, so that by His poverty we become rich. Poverty and wealth both deal with money directly, and the context is about giving money to Paul so that Paul can give the money to others. The only way to say this is not about money is to be delusional and unrighteous.
As is always the case, if you try to kill God’s promises, you end up pointing the shotgun at your own face. When you try to kill God’s promises, you cannot do it, without destroying your own salvation and spitting on the blood of Jesus Christ.
The idea of substitution is that someone takes my place for something. Notice this is the same apostle Paul, in the same Epistle, using the same substitutionary language for both sin and righteousness (chapter 5) and poverty and wealth (chapter 8).
That is, if Jesus being my poverty in exchange to give me His wealth is ineffective, or is not a substitutionary atonement, then Jesus being my sin to give me His righteousness is also in effective and cannot be a substitutionary atonement. Paul’s description of substitutionary atonement is the same for both instances and so neither can be separated from substitutionary atonement without destroying the other.
If you deny Jesus was a money substitution then you logically deny Jesus was a sin substitute. It is futile to attack the promises of wealth, if you must destroy your salvation and trample the blood of Christ in the process.
Jackie: “Person “x” says they believe in faith for miracles but their spouse died of cancer, and (etc). Thus, healing on the demand of faith is not true.”
Oshea: My math teacher made a few adding and division mistakes in class, therefore, addition and subtraction is not always correct. LOL!! If you think your argument is any less stupid, then you are delusional. Also for your examples to be taken as a truth claim, you would need to provide proof that empiricism as an epistemology yields truth and induction/observation, despite being irrational leads to valid conclusions. But scripture both rejects empiricism and induction for a method to know truth. Therefore, I also reject empiricism and induction/observation. If you make an argument that uses them I will not proceed further with you until you can prove they yield truth. This burden of proof is on you to make. They are your presuppositions, not mine.
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This type of critique is very damming to the opponent because it shows their extreme level of disrespect and arrogance toward God. No one ever thinks to themselves, because my math teacher made an adding mistake therefore, 2 + 2 = 4, is not always correct. I have never meet people who apply this type of irrational logic with sincerity in life (even if some people might act this way it is not common in my experience). However, when it comes to God they will attack His word with it, as if their life depends on it. They would not dare apply this stupidity to themselves, their teachers, or workers, but they will slap God with it. Such attacks are an autobiographical description for the type of person they are and who they view God.
When there is an adding mistake we assume the mistake is with the person and not math itself. However, God’s promises are no less exact, faithful, immutable and unyielding as math is. Thus, when there is a mistake in receiving a healing, we assume it is with the person and not God’s promise to do what He said He would do when we believe.
I saw a documentary on Twitter today and had a few thoughts.
Terms like approximate or identify have no meaning without truth to approximate or identify with. It is like playing a game of horseshoes and there is no stake, and I say that “I won the game, because my horseshoe is closer.” Without the stake, terms like “closer” and “further” have no meaning. If terms do not have definitions, then they are meaningless, and terms like “identity” have no intelligibility. It would result in skepticism, but since skepticism denies the law of contradiction it would have to be false to be true.
As a Christian I am to understand my Identity in Jesus Christ. If there is no definition for Jesus Christ I cannot rationally comprehend that I do or do not identify with Jesus. If you do not have truth to begin with, then such terms are without understanding. Sure, a person can say they know what a square circle is, but until they demonstrate what that is, I have no justification to accept they comprehend it. Because I say something with my mouth, “all 6 are green and 8 are clouds,” does not mean I comprehend what I say.
Furthermore, the professor and other kept saying things like, that is “your truth,” and this is my or “their truth.” They kept saying this over and over like the good little dogmatic zealots they are. It was not a private issue; rather it was a public statement they applied to everyone; that is, everyone has their own truth, is applied to all. This is called dogmatic. Because they forced this on others who did not want this label they are by definition zealots. The catholic church portrayed in the Anime Hellsing, would blush in envy at their dogmatic zealotry.
I bring this up because at one point a professor says he was offended because Matt wanted to find the truth about reality. The professor implied and said such a search for objective truth was an attack against someone else’s “their truth.” The professor was dogmatically applying the statement that “each has their own truth” to Matt and to all, but was a hypocrite by implying Matt was morally wrong for looking for a truth that should be applied to all. It is as though the professor was blind that he was zealously applying a statement as a truth dogmatically to all. Flaming hypocrite. The professor violated his own standard.
This always happens with any philosophy based on skepticism, agnosticism and such. If they applied their own doctrine to themselves their own doctrine, to be true would have to be false. For the professor to say we all have our own truth, is a dogmatic truth claim forced on all. To be true it must be false.
To apply the principle with consistency, then “my truth,” well, “is only for me.” If, for sake of argument we take it ethically, (I say this because ethics cannot be comprehended without presupposing the Bible), then to make another person affirm “my truth” would be morally evil, because it would stop being “my truth” to a “public dogmatic truth.” A person cannot accept or affirm another person’s truth, if the principle is to be consistent. Therefore, such a principle in practical application would be irrelevant and meaningless. The fact that people use “my truth” to make other people acknowledge it means it is not “my truth” but a public dogmatic applied to all. It violates its own meaning. To be true it is false. And because it is false, it should be mocked, dismissed and forgotten.
The focus of this quick post was on the logical and a little bit on first principles of knowledge, and not on the ethical. However, since we are dealing with such things as “definitions,” “ethics,” “logic,” and “truth,” such things do not have any intelligibility without presupposing the Bible, which is the public portion of God’s mind revealed to the world. As Vincent Cheung says in Captive to Reason (pg44), Since the bible is self-authenticating (similar to the Law of Contradiction) and says all other ways of thinking are false, then all non-Christian systems of thinking are false by logical exclusion.
All non-Christians are not only sinful but stupid. Non-Christian philosophies are an abyss of skepticism and anti-logic. Jesus Christ not only takes away one’s sinful record, but also saves the mind from being a moron. He heals sickness and gives success. If you turn to Him for salvation, you will not be disappointed. Who am I? I am a friend of the truth. And for you, I am the best friend you ever had, because I tell you the truth.
[first draft section taken from my Systematic Theology book.]
Logic is what makes math works. Like math, logic is knowing and applying the principles learned. One does not need to know the history of math or logic to understand how to apply the principle of addition or subtraction. The same is for philosophy. Knowing and applying the principles is the important part, knowing the history, not so much. I am always baffled why there is so much time spent on the history of philosophy and so little time on applying the principles of logic and ultimate questions. Seeing how great people are today in applying good logic and thinking skills, it appears this emphasis on history over principles in our school systems paid off.
Most philosophy books and teachers I have read and encountered are able to give me many names, dates and quoted debates, but when I ask them to apply logic and ultimate questions, or that is, when I ask them to add 10 + 12, they look at it and say, “oh shi@#.”
With that being said, a very basic understanding of the important principles of logic and philosophy (good or bad) that are still affluent in society today (or at the presuppositional level, which contradicts the bible), could help some to organize their thoughts on these ideas and terms.
Socrates: Socratic method. Empiricism. He partially understood the importance of critical thinking, but decided to make a magical leap from induction and empiricism to formulate “universal premises,” to then deduce from; however, this is to make all applications on reality unsound. The scientific method and publication has similarity to Socrates’ method; however, all empiricist based thinking uses a similar irrational maneuver at some point. They attempt to hide the fact they have no rational grounds for knowledge by taking their category of an irrational starting point and structure and metamorph it into the new category of being “rational.” They need a magical leap from induction to universal or truths to deduce from. We will see this play out in others later.
There are some sections in the deductive section of Peter Kreeft’s book “Socratic Logic,” that is helpful and well said; however, remember it is from the perspective of an empiricist and inductionist and so these types of thoughts get injected in random and odd places. Yet, it is for this reason I am quoting him on the Socratic Method because he is well studied on this and loves it. Kreeft can break down the long hand questioning aspect of Socrates’ and does a good general summery and structure of his method. Many focus too much on the question part, but Kreeft is better at summing up the whole process.
“Section 6. Combining induction and deduction: Socratic method (P) Socrates was the first person who seemed to know exactly what he was doing in using both inductive and deductive reasoning together. His typical method of arguing combined the two as follows: (1) First, a question arises: e.g. Is it true that political justice is simply whatever is in the interest of the stronger, as Thrasymachus the Sophist maintains in Book I of the Republic? (2) We begin by making relevant sense observations of examples of justice. A just doctor heals and improves the weaker man, the patient who is sick; a just teacher of horse handling teaches and improves the weaker man, the man who does not know how to handle horses; and so with other cases. (3) We then make an inductive generalization on the basis of these examples (and this is inductive reasoning): it seems that justice is in the interest of the weaker rather than the stronger. (4) The fourth step is understanding the necessity of this universal which we have arrived at, by understanding the reason for it: justice is always in the interest of the weaker because of what justice essentially is, by its own nature. In step three we know the fact; in step four we understand the reason for it. (5) We can then proceed to the application of the universal to the particular by deduction. We apply our general principle to the specific example under discussion, political justice, by deductive reasoning: Since justice is in the interest of the weaker, not the stronger; and since political justice is a form of justice; therefore political justice too must be in the interest of the weaker, not the stronger.
Step 4 is crucial because inductive reasoning alone cannot prove its general conclusion with certainty. So if the general principle that has been arrived at by induction is not known with any more certainty than the inductive argument gives it (in step 3), then when we use it as the premise of a deductive argument (in step 5), that premise will still only be probably true, and the conclusion of the deductive argument will also be only probably true, even though its connection with its premises is certain. It is certain that if all swans are white and this is a swan, this is white; but if it is not certain that all swans are white, then it is not certain that this swan is white. The step in Socratic method between the inductive reasoning and the deductive reasoning is not a step of reasoning but understanding; a first-act-of-the mind insight into the universal that has been discovered by inductive reasoning. And only when this insight understands the necessity of this universal principle can that principle be known with certainty and not only with probability, which is all that induction gives. Only then can that principle yield certainty in the conclusion that follows from it by deductive reasoning.”[1]
This is just a Moron going under the name Philosophy, or thinker or teacher. Socrates knows induction is invalid and stupid, but magically makes this goes away with “understanding,” whatever that even means. How do you understand an irrationally made conclusion to be necessary? By irrational understanding? If so, does irrational understanding lead to a necessary conclusion in induction? If by a rational understanding, then you would understand induction’s conclusion is never necessary. Obviously this understanding cannot be rational. He either means use more induction reasoning or by intuition/common sense. See Vincent Cheung and Professional Morons for more on so-called “common sense.” Common sense is just another smoke screen to say you have no rational way to show that you have knowledge. Whether it is Socrates “understanding or intuition, or common sense,” they are all referring to the basic same thing. There is an unbridgeable gap between the fallacies of empiricism, observation (and scientific experimentation) and knowledge of subjects and predicates. The human starting point invalidates any rational way to get to knowledge. So these terms of “common sense, understanding and intuition,” are preferred over terms like “magic or pink unicorns,” for expressing how a human starting point gets to knowledge.
Remember induction is a non-sequitur conclusion; that is, the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premises. However Socrates wants us to think/meditate about a conclusion that does not necessarily follow from the premises, until it becomes a necessary truth claim about reality? LOL!!!
Thus, use non-rational means to think about a conclusion produced by induction, which is a non-sequitur, until you somehow intuitively know it is logically necessary? This is very careless of him. Wait? What? Is this all non-Christians have to offer? Yes!
This is not the Socratic Method, it is the Moron’s Method. Sadly, whether it is Aristotle, St. Thomas, modern scientific method, or compromised churches who combine empiricism with Scripture in a dual epistemology, this moronic method has dominated the western world for thousands of years. Endless scholastic cattle have followed this for millennium, even in the church world.
As for our example above the Scientific method is very similar to this, with the exception that #4 is experimentation (Affirming the Consequent) and general universalprinciple and deduction is stated as a Modus Ponens. The scientific experimentation is used to magically transform triple fallacies of sensation, induction and affirming the consequent into a necessary conclusion to formulate a knowledge/truth. As strange as it sounds, their way to find truth is to use an onslaught of fallacies that somehow make a valid knowledge claim. LOL!
Plato: Rationalism. Honest about his own failure
Plato is an interesting secular philosopher in that he was half-way honest about his inability to find the truth. We have already briefly stated some of this. The focus here is about the broad idea of rationalism.
“Plato had based his system on so-called three original, independent principles: the World of Ideas, the Demiurge (god like figure), and chaotic space. Although the three were equally eternal and independent of each other, the Demiurge fashioned chaotic space into this visible world by using the World of Ideas as the model. Thus, the World of Ideas is not only independent of but also even in a sense superior to the maker of heaven and earth. The Demiurge is morally obligated, and in fact willingly submits to the Ideas of justice, man, equality, and number.”[2]
Thus, Plato’s true first principle of knowledge was the world of ideas, that is; the logic and categories that the physical world, and even gods follow. For this reason, Plato is historically known as the first Rationalist. By Rationalist we are referring to naming someone’s worldview by their true presupposition, or starting point for knowledge. Even though Plato has a pseudo triple epistemology, the most fundamental was logic. This is what rationalism historically and technically means. If your starting point for knowledge starts with logic, you are a rationalist. There are hybrids of course, but we will keep this simple. This is obviously different from Socrates whose starting point was empiricism and observation.
St. Augustine: St Augustine was interesting in that he had a hybrid epistemology of the Scripture and Rationalism. In the context of history this is important because history, in the western world, takes 1 of 3 main roads. The (1) road of Socrates/Aristotle (Empiricism(starting point)/induction/ and publishing these as deductions), (2) the road of Plato (having at least rationalism as part of your starting point), or (3) the road to simply stop thinking and embrace irrationalism.
It is important to note that Augustine’s mistake, from all the mistakes you can make at the presuppositional level is the least problematic, as compared to the other 2. The reason for this is simple Logical laws are only that, they are only about structure of thoughts. Logic is not the content (premises) of thinking. The bible shows the laws of logic are true. Thus Augustine is not wrong about them being reliable or necessarily true. If a rationalist is consistent to their rationalism standard, then there is no subjects or predicates to extract from their rationalism, because again logic is not content, but only structure of thought.
Thus even if one makes a hybrid epistemology with scripture, the laws of logic add no definitions to reality, causality, God, man, salvation or ethics. The bible gives its own doctrine about logic, and so it is sinful and stupid to make logic a hybrid with Scripture as if it comes from an outside biblical doctrine. This is what Plato did by having the gods adhere to such things as logic and numbers that were outside of them. But this mistake does not add any more content itself.
Augustine would even mention that logic is not invented by man but is only discovered by man, and then give scriptural support (in his book Doctrine). However, in the Manifesto, it sounds like he makes logic a dual epistemology with scripture. Gordon Clark says there are 5 or 6 ways to make hybrid epistemologies and he goes into detail which one Augustine makes. See Clark for more about this.
And yet the validity of logical sequences is not a thing devised by men, but is observed and noted by them that they may be able to learn and teach it; for it exists eternally in the reason of things, and has its origin with God. For as the man who narrates the order of events does not himself create that order; and as he who describes the situations of places, or the natures of animals, or roots, or minerals, does not describe arrangements of man; and as he who points out the stars and their movements does not point out anything that he himself or any other man has ordained;—in the same way, he who says, “When the consequent is false, the antecedent must also be false,” says what is most true; but he does not himself make it so, he only points out that it is so. And it is upon this rule that the reasoning I have quoted from the Apostle Paul proceeds. For the antecedent is, “There is no resurrection of the dead,”—the position taken up by those whose error the apostle wished to overthrow. Next, from this antecedent, the assertion, namely that, there is no resurrection of the dead, the necessary consequence is, “Then Christ is not risen.” But this consequence is false, for Christ has risen; therefore the antecedent is also false. But the antecedent is, that there is no resurrection of the dead. We conclude, therefore, that there is a resurrection of the dead. Now all this is briefly expressed thus: If there is no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen; but Christ is risen, therefore there is a resurrection of the dead. This rule, then, that when the consequent is removed, the antecedent must also be removed, is not made by man, but only pointed out by him. And this rule has reference to the validity of the reasoning, not to the truth of the statements.” – St. Augustine Christian Doctrine. ch.32
Augustine historically is very influential to the western world (as far as we can tell.) despite his mistake with rationalism as a dual epistemology, he was correct in using the bible with deduction. As we have discussed before, logic and deduction is only meant to be used if you have truth. Augustine knew the scripture was revealed truth from God and so used logic and deduction with it. You can see how schools in the early western world taught deduction because they understood Christians have the truth and so it is a perfect fit. Even in the left-over Trivium or classical education, which was influenced by a Christian western world, teaches logic early on to children. Even the famous Reformer Martin Luther was a specialist in classical logic because it went hand-to-hand with reading the bible.
It is not important to mention other historical rationalist and hybrid rationalist, because the basic principle about this is so easy to understand that a 7 year can apply in perfection. Thus, when a rationalist says, “I think therefore I am,” the issue is not so much the logical validity, but where do the subjects and predicates (and premises) come from. Without truth, logical conclusions will always be unsound and lead to skepticism, (which isn’t’ very rational now is it). Where does the “I” and “think” and “am” come from? This is the true epistemology. Where does the logic come from to even think this? Logic itself does not tell us where it comes from, and thus you need a more fundamental starting point to get this information, which is God’s revelation.
Thus, rationalists relating to importance of history and principles for worldview thinking are unimportant and irrelevant.
Irrationalism: Irrationalism has a long and complicated history, with long complicated arguments with many historical philosophers, but the main gist is simple. This long-complicated history and endless arguments is part of the strategy of irrationalism to hide the simplicity of its failure. If one’s foundation is irrational and skepticism, then you cannot truly win a debate, and in the eyes of skepticism if they are consistent to their own foundation, no one can completely win against them. Thus, the endless debates and hours of wasted time.
There are different aspects of irrationalism. Some take a formal pseudo-epistemology declaration that, “no belief can truly be justified,” whether this is aimed at Plato or later to Christians. But again, then their own statement is not justified. This is to be dismissed and mocked. Their only strategy is to keep screaming and debating to keep their relevance.
Some have more of a “fall into skepticism” position. They don’t believe the bible and then some don’t even believe their current god of science is able to produce truth. And so, they begin to think there is no way to find truth. This is usually as far as they get in their thinking.
But as shown before you cannot deny the law of contradiction without using it, but if you are using it, then you just used the thing you denied. Also, there is the metaphysical or ontological aspect of this. You cannot think or draw a square circle. You cannot deny your own existence without using it. You cannot, in reality, think of an infinite regress of the same proposition denying and then affirming itself, because it would take an infinite amount of time. The burden of proof lies with the irrationalist to show they can do the above and so demonstrate their position. Contradictions do not exist. The skeptic must prove they do.
The skeptic schools in Greece who were debating Plato and Aristotle, still had a remnant in Augustine’s time. But when Christianity took over Europe, the skeptics slowly died out to the onslaught of logic produced by biblical doctrine. The reason why it was such a thorough victory was that Christianity had the unstoppable combo of deduction and truth.
The sad reality is that the irrationalist must bow down and prostrate themselves to the law of contradiction to say there is no truth, or no belief can be justified, or we know that we don’t know. It is like bowing down and prostrating before the ancient King of Persia, in his throne room, and saying “I don’t think there is a king of Persia before me.”
The same thing happens today with such things as denying male and female, or mixing up these categories to a point that you cannot define them, and after they are undefinable you use these undefinable definitions to morally condemn others with definitions you cannot define? The issue here is that what little understanding can be understood from such irrational positions is made possible by these people prostrating themselves to the law of contradiction and identity, otherwise their position means the Bible is true and they are false. The hypocrisy is that they use the law of contradiction and identity to intellectually make their statements, while demanding you deny the law of contradiction and identity to categories they do not like, such as male and female in this particular case. Such arguments are to be dismissed and mocked.
Unfortunately as Christianity has eroded from the Western world over the last few hundred years, the Christian emphasis on logic, reason and deduction has likewise faded from society and worldview thinking. The current result is that irrationalism has overtaken the system-of-thinking for much of the Western World. We will continue this explanation when we are finished with Aristotle.
Aristotle: For non-christians, on the narrow topic of logic, Plato was brilliant, and Aristotle was a perfect student. Plato, like with discovering how to use math, discovered how to use deductive logic without being taught, and so on this narrow point he was a genius. However, Plato had a long-winded way to teach these concepts. Aristotle, took what Plato taught and systematized, made it concise and expanded on it. We are merely talking about the logical aspects of philosophy not the “gods” or other things they taught.
Thus, Aristotle understood the basics of logic well. He out debated the skeptics. He put together a basic understanding on category and propositional syllogisms. Yet, despite all this, because he did not have truth, he still ended up putting empiricism and induction back into his system-of-thinking.
Because of this reliance on empiricism, induction and science (his understanding of science is much simpler than it is today) led him to define terms on the starting point of knowledge and “sound” arguments as pre-built with empiricism and science. Thus, to Aristotle “epistemology” (starting point for knowledge) was a pseudo-science pseudo-intuitive experience knowing. Frankly it is hard to define it because Aristotle was not clear on this himself. His definition of epistemology included some degree of experience, intuitive knowing from observations and science put together. The whole thing is irrational. In fact if you look at his definition of science, (the knowledge of “necessary causes”) it is circular.
“1. Whatever is scientifically known must be demonstrated. 2. The premises of a demonstration must be scientifically known.”[3]
Additionally his definition of “demonstration” refers to a “sound argument,” which refers to both logical validity and truth premises. However, he defined “true premises” as those only coming from science knowledge. Thus, he never considered a worldview that did not include empiricism, induction and science as the only producer of knowledge. He obviously saw his worldview as true and so defined such terms pre-baked with his view of truth.
Today demonstration or a sound argument refers to the combination of (1)“true premises” (and rather assuming it only comes from science it is understood that ones worldview will determine where truth comes from) and (2) logical validity.
The first premise (major premise, or major truth claim) for Aristotle’s syllogism, is from this circular science knowledge. He tries avoiding the circular reasoning by saying there is some pseudo-intuitive experience knowledge. It has some similarities to Socrates “understanding.” Both struggle to take what they know is irrational from empiricism and induction and science and make the irrational produce necessary truths. Thus, they end up with unclear and undefined miracles that transform the irrational into necessary truths, causes and universals. The second premise of his syllogism (minor term) is also from empiricism and experience. He rejected Plato’s innate knowledge and categories and so he says we are born with blank minds. Thus you must use empiricism, induction and experience to know yourself. Yet, how does a blank mind learn the laws of logic, or think? If you don’t’ think with the law of contradiction and identity, how do you think anything? How can you discover the law of contradiction if you do not already have it?
Thus, we use empiricism and observation/induction and combine this with pseudo-intuitive experience to find “knowledge of necessary causes.” We then call this knowledge and use it to deduce from.
Aristotle agreed with Plato in that the “forms” existed but disagreed with how. They both were trying to explain how reality conformed to certain universals and laws.
Thus, despite the complexity of Aristotle’s explanations he never escapes the Socratic Method. It is more detailed and more steps but the same overall method. That is, despite his agreements with aspects of Plato and long debates with him, his overall principles or method to find knowledge ended up more like the Socratic Method.
At the end of the day Aristotle was a hard-core empiricist for epistemology, with a hybrid pseudo rationalism and intuition. He knew induction was not valid but used it heavily with trying to formulate a starting point for knowledge. This might be the greatest non-Christian philosophical blunder for the entire world.
This Plato and Aristotle divide are two streams in the Western world, in regards to principles of thinking, that divided many. As Christians the whole things should have been burned and forgotten, but unfortunately stupidity was allowed to live on. The divide “ultimately,” although there is more too it, is about ones’ starting point for knowledge. The classic philosophers are taught in history classes as being more focused on metaphysics, but this is misleading. It is true to some degree, in regard to some of the focus of their books, but as you can see from the Socratic Method, (the broad principles of ultimate questions) they were still focused on how to get knowledge. Also, as Christians we know they are morons, and so we are not concerned what they thought was more important or focused on; rather, we are more concerned with how their overall ultimate questions and principles do or do not borrow from the Christian worldview.
Those who aligned more with Plato tended to be classified more as “rationalist.” However, since there is no knowledge in the laws of logic, a rationalist cannot even use knowledge to say they are a rationalist; they cannot use subjects and predicates to state they are rationalist because those involve content. That is, no one can be a pure rationalist; it usually is a hybrid starting point of logic and another axiom. Because the bible heavily uses logic, you will find famous Christian figures such as St. Augustine making this hybrid of rationalism and the Bible. And as said before, this mistake is bad, but because logic gives no knowledge, it is not a fatal mistake.
Also the bible does talk of innate knowledge, but contradicts Plato’s weak attempt as the origin of it.
Those who aligned with Aristotle tend to make a pure empiricism starting point, or they make a hybrid starting point of empiricism and another presupposition. The famous Catholic philosopher St. Thomas is one such person. This mistake, as said before, is not only bad, but fatal because sensation and observation produces a large knowledge/content. This content has a high chance to contradict your other epistemology’s content.[4] (For example, the Bible says I am healed by Jesus’ atonement, but I still see my sickness. Which one will you pick, if both are an equal starting point for knowledge?)
St. Thomas after whoring himself with Aristotle, officially accepted empiricism as a dual epistemology with Scripture and then made this a formal doctrine in the schools and churches. Those who followed this are scholastic cattle, soldiers for Satan.
The Catholic church therefore has a Triple epistemology, the Pope (men), empiricism and bible.
The reformation fought to fix this. Their attempt was only partially successful. There was some good intentions and some good results from this reformation. Some of their isolated statements on scripture and such are ok, but the result was compromised. Today the reformed refer to their heroes and creeds (men) (despite the WCF saying all creeds have erred) as a hybrid or even superior to the Scripture as a starting point. In this they have become the Catholics, which they so much tried to pull away from. They were better, at least in the beginning, to remove empiricism as an epistemology, but even here it was not total. If you read Martin Luther, some of his arguments against the strange Catholic practices uses pseudo-empiricist arguments. You see this full blown today when reformed members make purely empiricist arguments against spiritual gifts, faith and healing. They will say, “why don’t we see them?” After debating and showing this is an appeal to catholic empiricism not scripture, they appeal to the creeds. This has happened many times in my own experiences. These in essence do not have a triple epistemology, but only a dual one of empiricism and men.
This dual epistemology eventually was catastrophic and fatal. For a few centuries, the Western world endured this strange Bible and Empiricism hybrid, but after time it slowly began to choose empiricism more and the Bible less. This continued until it completely abandoned the bible for empiricism as their presupposition for thinking.
Locke and Descartes had empiricism as an epistemology but made attempts to make hybrids with aspects of rationalism. “I think therefore I am.” The details are not important, other than such attempts were failures and always will be. Rationalism gives no content for thinking. Empiricism has no existence as a starting point for knowledge. Thus, the details are long winded fables with little benefit to squeeze out.
David Hume. Hume is important because he tried to give a true and honest argument for a purely empiricism epistemology. He was against the Christian worldview. In a rear moment for non-Christians, Hume went to the presuppositional level to provide an argument for his atheistic worldview. However, in this attempt he found that a starting point of empiricism does not provide a rational basis for knowledge. In another rear moment for a non-Christian he admitted using the senses for knowledge led to skepticism. Some sensations are not reliable. To use the senses and observation is inductive, and inductive is anti-logic and invalid. This leads to skepticism. By senses and observations and induction we cannot validly establish cause and effect.
Hume then tried to fix this by saying through experience and habit we come to magically (and non-rationally) know things as they are. Again, this oddly sound like Socrates “understanding” part of his Method.
If I see a mountain, then the picture in my mind is a copy, and it is mental, and it is propositional. These are 3 different categories compared to the actual mountain. It is like saying apples are round and the sun is round therefore I can eat the sun. It is a category error. But let us do it 3 times. Apples are round and the sun is round thus I can eat the sun. The sun is yellow and the numbers on my house are yellow, thus, 7 is yellow. Yellow is my favorite color, and predicates is my favorite, therefore predicates is a color. Therefore, Apples mean predicates are my favorite color.
There are more than 3 category errors when going from sensation to premise in the mind, but from the above, in only using 3, it is obvious the nonsense is incomprehensible. Yet, this is the logical and intellectual foundation of empiricism. Yet, somehow the critics say the bible is a myth, because they rely on empiricism to conclude this. Their foundation is incomprehensible and anti-logic, and yet they pride themselves as intelligent. They are morons.
Hume was honest about the skepticism, and not so much about the true nonsense of skepticism. Skepticism denies the law of contradiction. Yet, a contradiction has no existence. Try denying your own existence without using it. A contradiction is an infinite regress of affirming and denying x and not-x. To prove a contradiction exists one would need to show they can affirm x and not-x in an unreachable regress; they would need to show they can deny the LoC without using it. Contradictions have no reality. Thus empiricism has no existence as a starting point for knowledge. It is nothing.
Modern Day: Professional Morons.
To sum up the present day, it is important to know the direction of the Christian worldview took, since it dominated the West. After Hume’s demonstration of the skepticism of the senses, some in the church who were blinded by the dual empiricism and bible epistemology, woke of to the problem and tried to fix it. Sadly, the attempts were a non-biblical attempts and so these attempts proved to be fatal.
The first was Kant. Kant tried, as others before him— (you will see men without the bible making the same mistakes over and over. This is why the history of philosophy is so boring and annoying to read.)– to make a hybrid of empiricism and rationalism. Unlike others before him, Kant is trying to hybrid empiricism, when it is publicly known to lead to skepticism, because of Hume. Aristotle and Socrates knew this, but most ignored it or made it magically go way with “understanding,” or “habit” and “intuition.” However, in Kant’s timeline, because of Hume, the public noticed the issue and wanted to fix it.
The big idea with Kant is he did not answer how logic gives subjects and predicates. He admits empiricism does lead to skepticism and thus denies the law of contradiction. However, he does not justify how this hybrid makes this two-fold problem disappear. For example, “there is no such thing as the law of contradiction”, is one of my dual epistemologies, and the other is “scripture.” To say this does not make the scripture prove I can deny the LoC; rather, if I say the scripture supports this hybrid, I am dis-proving and dis-crediting the scripture by saying it supports an irrational dual epistemology.
Thus, Kant’s hybrid, although more complex, did not reduce the issues of Rationalism or Empiricism as epistemologies; rather, all he did was compound the problems by combining them. It is like category logic and the rule that says you cannot have two negatives and then conclude with a positive. Having two epistemologies that produce “0” knowledge does not make it so that together they now produce knowledge. If you add 0 + 0, then the conclusion is still 0.
Irrationalism.
After Kant came Kierkegaard. Kierkegaard, was honest about Kant’s hybrid and realized if empiricism is part of the hybrid, then you are still left with (at least some) anti-logic affirmations. Induction is irrational. Sensation and observation are irrational. To conclude from them we have knowledge is to contradict that these came by irrational ways.
Europe was leaving Christianity. David Hume showed empiricism leads to skepticism. Kant’s hybrid did not get rid of the inherent irrationalism out of his Christian philosophy, because he still used empiricism. Thus both the secular Western world and Christian world were both embracing irrationalism, because both used empiricism.
Kierkegaard simply took the next step forward in this environment. He made Christianity affirm outright irrationalism. Faith is contrary to reason. Because he was popular, his embrace of irrationalism became formal Christian doctrine.
The bible teaches the opposite. “Faith is simply a religious word for logic or reason.” (see Vincent Cheung, Logic and Resurrection.) God is logic and God appeals to logic and uses logic in the Scripture.
I remember reading an article from “World Magazine” where the authors were happy that over half of America was now skeptical of Christianity, but were surprised over half were also skeptical of evolution. However, in a world that has embraced empiricism, even many churches, it is no surprised skepticism is running rampant.
I remember reading Gordon Clark quoting a 1945 General Harvard Committee report, where they were applauding themselves for removing Christianity from higher education, but lamenting the fact there was not another philosophy that can umbrella all the subjects in their school together like Christianity. Even if we assume empiricism can give some knowledge, it cannot give knowledge with such obvious things as math, ethics or logic. Thus, in a anti-Christian education system, there is now skepticism and irrationalism, because there no epistemology to umbrella all the ultimate questions together.
This leaves us to the present. The philosophy of the Western world is irrationalism and pretending. Vincent Cheung does a great job showing this with a current teacher of logic and argumentation. Let us see how the current worldview thinks about logic and how to argue.
“We will use David Zarefsky as an example. Among his numerous credentials and achievements, Zarefsky is Professor of Argumentation and Debate and Professor of Communication Studies at Northwestern University. Therefore, as with Sinnott-Armstrong, let no one say that I have deliberately chosen an inferior specimen as an example of non-Christian foolishness.
In his syllabus for a course on argumentation,[10] he refers to deduction and induction, and he expresses his view on logical validity in these terms, so it would be helpful to define them and review their differences.
Deduction is the process of reasoning by which the conclusion is inferred from the premises by logical necessity. On the other hand, induction is the process of reasoning by which the conclusion is not inferred from the premises by logical necessity. In deduction, the conclusion includes only information that is already contained in and necessarily implied by the premises. But in induction, the conclusion includes new information that is not already contained in and necessarily implied by the premises.[11]
An inductive argument yields a conclusion that is supposedly but not necessarily implied by the premises. For this reason, induction is always a formal fallacy; that is, the conclusion is never certain, and never rationally established. In fact, since the conclusion is not necessarily implied by the premises, there is no way to logically show that there is any necessary relationship between the conclusion and the premises.
With the above in mind, Zarefsky writes, “Formal reasoning is not seen as the prototype of argumentation in recent scholarship.”[12] By “formal reasoning,” he is referring to deduction, when “one actually reason[s] in syllogistic form.”[13] In his view, “Most argumentation is not represented by a form in which the conclusion contains no new information.”[14] But he does not conclude, as I would, “Therefore, most argumentation is fallacious.” Instead, he says that argumentation “involves enabling an audience to move from what is already known and believed to some new position,” and “This movement involves a leap of faith that the arguer seeks to justify.”[15]
He goes on to say, “Judgment is needed because absolute proof is not possible, yet decisions must be made.”[16] Subjectivity is introduced into the process because of pragmatic concerns, that is, because “decisions must be made.” He continues, “Judgment is sought by giving sufficient reason that a critical listener would feel justified in accepting the claim.”[17] Instead of objectively and logically demonstrated, the claim is “accepted” if the listener “feel” that it is justified. Thus for Zarefsky, “Adherence of the critical listener becomes the substitute for absolute proof.”
In other words, non-Christian philosophers realize that deduction is unrealistic and impossible for them, and so they have chosen to abandon deduction or deductive arguments, and instead they have decided to depend on subjective judgments based on induction or inductive arguments.
And this means that their arguments are logically invalid. Zarefsky admits, “Applying the concept of validity beyond formal logic is tricky.”[18] Why? “Because the claim does not follow from the evidence with certainty, we cannot say that if the evidence is true, the claim must be true.”[19] We may ask, “If it does not follow with certainty, then does it follow at all?” In any case, what does he do? Does he write, “Therefore, we must concede that our arguments are invalid, and we must be honest and admit that our conclusions are mere subjective, non-rational, or even irrational opinions and speculations”?
No way! Instead of admitting that all their everyday arguments are invalid he says, in effect, “Let us redefine validity! Let us agree that even our leaps of faith are logically valid!”[20] You might say, “But we still must have a ‘check on the process of reasoning,’[21] don’t we?” “Of course,” Zarefsky replies, “This function is achieved by focusing on experience rather than form.”[22] That is, rather than thinking of validity as a matter of necessary inference, he proposes that “A general tendency develops over time for certain reasoning patterns to produce good or bad results.”[23] Like Sinnott-Armstrong, he makes reasoning a pragmatic endeavor instead of a logical or rational one. It is also suggestive that his course is entitled, “Argumentation: The Study of Effective Reasoning,” whereas if I were to teach a course on argumentation, I would instead entitle it, “Argumentation: The Study of Necessary Inference.”
Non-Christians have abandoned rationality, because they cannot live up to the demands of logic or reason. Still, they want to go through the motions of reasoning, and they want to consider themselves rational. So they have redefined rationality as a matter of agreement rather than logical necessity. They cannot get from “here” to “there,” but they still want to get “there,” so they decide to take a leap of faith. If this sounds irrational and invalid, then they will just agree to define it as rational and valid.
Their strategy is that, “If you cannot get from here to there, then cheat. And if everybody cheats, then we will all look fine to one another. Although our conclusions are reached by leaps of faith, we would still like to think of ourselves as rational, so let us just agree that we are rational no matter what.” It is “rationality” by agreement and by pure fantasy, and not by logical necessity or necessary inference.
You exclaim, “What?! Are they stupid?” Yes, they are stupid, and these are the same morons who attack your faith and call you irrational. They are desperate and dishonest. They find it impossible to remain rational apart from reliance on God’s revelation, but they refuse to admit it. The pragmatic approach stems from the realization that they cannot arrive at the conclusions that they wish to prove by deduction, because given their non-Christian epistemologies, it is impossible for them to begin with self-authenticating premises from which they can deduce true conclusions by logical necessity. And even though there are still some non-Christians who try to live up to the standard of deduction, they cannot do it on the basis of their non-Christian epistemologies and first principles. Therefore, whether they try or not, we win.”[5]
Thus, the Western World has given up on trying to be deductive altogether. They will just pretend their anti-logical and irrational system-of-thinking is true, for the sake of “ethics.” And this leads us to the last part of this section.
As said before, ethics are an “ought,” they are not a descriptive premise of reality from the senses. We already showed the multiple category errors in sensation to premises, but ethics would add another category error to this. Ethics in this way, is like math or logic, in that it is easier to show the incorporeal nature of them. They are not observed but are invisible concepts we apply to things we observe or think or dream about. I never observed an ethic. God has commanded me what to do and not do with the creation He made. Ethics are commandments given by God in revelation. In fact some commands of God are part of our innate knowledge (Romans 2:15). They are not observed but already divinely revealed into the soul by God’s power (ontology of ethics.)
Also ethics are the conclusion of ultimate questions. That is, ethics only comes into play, if there is a knowledge, reality, and man. The premises of your worldview must make knowledge, reality and man possible or there is no use for even mentioning ethics.
In a worldview of empiricism, it is a logical blunder to have descriptive premises about reality to conclude with a more information of an “ought.”
Thus, by embracing irrationalism and pretending induction produces truth for the sake of ethics, the current Western world is only left with dogmatic political ethical zealots. They are dogmatic because they want to use government to apply their ethics to all. This is what dogmatic means. It is not a private opinion, but a doctrine you believe ought to be applied to all. Everyone it a dogmatic, the issue is what doctrines you hold to. There is no such thing as a non-dogmaticist, because to deny this they would have to affirm a dogmatic position that there is no dogmaticism or optional dogmaticism.
Sadly many Christians have engaged this sinful behavior. Two things lead to this. One is as we discussed is empiricism. They watch countless commercials for medicine and often go to the doctor. This re-establishes a habitual re-working of the mind to depend on what you sense and observe and science, rather than God for help, power and definitions. Thus, they do the same with government. The other issue is rejecting the supernatural power of God’s program. In Acts 4 the church looked to God for supernatural power to combat the Government, not their own power. This is not to say we don’t vote or educate, but when prisons are shaken, and political advisors are stricken blind, there is an obvious recognition of God’s power to both the church and the wicked about God’s involvement. If Christian marches lead to God using power to cause buildings to fall on our enemies, like with Jericho, then this would be more in line with how the bible commands us to face political opposition.
Politics is essentially ethics. Yet, empiricism gives no ethics. And so, we pretend. “Man, “ought” to have some type of political structure to make life better. This is all the thinking the Western World has left.
They have no worldview. They embrace being irrational. They feel strong about ethics. And so they pretend to have ethics. Their church is now the government, and they will march like bald neutered zealots for a cause.
They cannot give you a rational defense for reality, for where or what is knowledge or man, Yet they are dogmatic zealots for ethics that don’t even work in practical life. They are skeptical of reality, knowledge, logic and man, but they are “certain” about ethics. They are zealot morons.
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Summary: The broad foundation is “God.” God is the foundation of logic. Without Him, there is no point in doing logic. And God’s foundation as taught in Scripture, is that of absolute and directly sovereign over all reality, over all knowledge, over all logic and all ethics. This foundation takes away all the problems that non-Christians have with their fruitless attempt to understand the world.
[4] We refer to knowledge here, the way society uses of it and not in the usually way we normally use it here as “truth.” Knowledge as used by society would be defined by the bible as human speculation.
[5] Vincent Cheung. Professional Morons. From the ebook, “Captive to Reason.” Chapter 27. 2009. See source for source on quoted martials.
I posted this statement today and had some interesting responses. I will deal with one of them. “One small miracle by a Charismatic by faith is more valuable than 1000 Reformed sermons.”
Billy responded with:
“(1) A miracle is not an end to itself. (2) A miracle (physical healing or any charismatic supernatural scenario) can mean nothing if the crowd misses the point. Many in the crowd, where the miracle of multiplication of bread and fish, missed the point that Christ is the Bread of Life. (3) Meanwhile, the preaching of the Word under the operation of the Holy Spirit inwardly regenerates a sinner. (4)True conversions born anew with the genuine and observable fruit of sanctification and evidential maturity leading to glorification of the saints is more important that a miracle (even if the miracle is from God).”
(1) Miracles happen for different reasons. Some miracles, a small minority of them are to confirm a ministry or a future promise. One such miracle is when Jesus said, “know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home,” (Matt. 9:6). Yet Jesus says statements that indicate most of His miracles were to fulfill His ancient promise to Abraham (Luke 13:10-17, Mark 7:25-29, Galatians 3). There is a category difference between a sign miracle to “confirm” a future promise or ministry versus a miracle to “fulfill” a promise already given.
With that being said people who find the Bible and God is not humble enough for them will always ignore God in order to make them sound more humble by appealing to things such as God centeredness. Usually, the people who hate God the most surround themselves with religious talk and activities, but are never able to produce true fruit that proves election such as miracles, the baptism of the Spirit and healing. Just like the religious leaders in Jesus’ day, they are masochists but surrounding themselves with outward displays of the person they hate the most.
Also, miracles are for God’s glory. However, this is misleading in the sense all things are for God’s glory, in the ultimate sense. Even my unbelieving family members burning in hell are to the glory of God. Just as you can always answer any question about reality with God’s sovereignty on the ultimate sense, you can do the same with God’s glory for the ultimate purpose for everything. It is like saying “things are things that exist.” Such statements are true, but also unhelpful. Even imaginary trees exist in my mind, so what? Thus, such an immeasurably broad answer is not helpful if a specific question is being asked. It is like my mom asking “what would you like to eat for lunch tomorrow” and then I answer with “food.” Yet, this is how most Reformed people answer biblical questions, and they think they are intelligent. LOL!
I could go into more detail, but will deal with this in one brut slap. “Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete, (John 16:24).
Jesus says by asking and receiving miracles that the end result will be to our joy. Early, Jesus said it would bring the Father glory. Yet, Jesus the most God-centered man who ever lived, has no issue saying, miracles are for your joy, as an end to itself. People who cannot receive God’s love for them have a hard time with this, because receiving from God takes a level of wisdom and maturity they do not have. This might be a surprise, but Jesus thinks many loving thoughts toward His children, and wants them to be full of joy. He wants to answer prayers with miracles and make their hearts burst with joy, simply because He loves us. God gave us His Son, how will He not freely give us all things? God’s love is an end to itself. God’s love to Himself is an end to itself, and the Father loves us with the “same love” He loves Jesus with. And in this sense, His love to give us miracles for “our joy,” is an end to itself. To say otherwise is to say God’s love for Himself is not an end of itself.
It is also an end to itself in the same way healing is according to the will of man, is an end to itself. For more of this see Vincent Cheung, “Healing: the Will of Man.” For quick summary remember the woman who Jesus told her she was a dog. Jesus correctly told her it was “not God’s will” to minister to gentiles at this time. Yet, after she gave an argument based on faith, Jesus relented and said, “Women, your will be done.” In this sense, the miracle was for her joy, in accordance with the will of man. Jesus the most God-centered man did a 180, going from, “this plan is the “will of God,”” to the “will of man be done on earth.”
Also, the statement of Jesus to receive miracles so that our joy is complete is not a suggestion, but a command. You are commanded to receive miracles and to be overjoyed by them in thankfulness, as an end to itself. If you do not do this, you are in rebellion against the command of God. Miracles is a proof of election and the lack thereof a proof of reprobation.
(2) This is just so stupid I feel befouled just answering it. The passage mentioned about the feeding and the crowd not understanding cuts both ways. Jesus also preached and taught, and they still did not understand. Thus, I should conclude that preaching is a lesser thing than x or y? But this was the argument he used against the miracle. Dumb.
It is true that preaching is foundational in the sense of knowing the truth. But my comment about miracles is not addressing the “foundational issue of knowing the truth.” Thus, this section of critique is a non-relevant fallacy, and shows they are intellectually incompetent. I am talking about “a” and then they either stupidly or they knew, but then tried to do a slight-of-hand fallacy and made it about “h” instead.
(3) This is a ridiculous critique against my original statement. Again, this cuts both ways. The blind man Jesus healed believed because of the miracle. Of course the Holy Spirit was behind the invisible rebirth, but the miracle is what was highlighted, not preaching. Jesus said more than once even if you do not believe what He is saying, you should believe because of His miracles. In either case, the preaching or the miracles, if one believes it is because of the invisible work of the Spirit. However, we not talking about that ultimate level. We are dealing wit the argument of Jesus, who was the most God-centered man who ever lived. He said miracles should lead you to believe in Him. John records more than once in his gospel that miracles were the catalyst for many people believing in Jesus (Lazarus for example), not the preaching. In fact, on the day of Pentecost, where the baptism of the Spirit came down with miracles, and the crowed asked about the miracle, 3000 were saved. Peter’s ending remark was to be forgiven, and “then” they can receive the miracle of baptism of the Spirt, if they have been predestined for it.
(4) This is so stupid its funny. “If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, [proving] yourselves to be my disciples, (John 15:7-8).
Billy’s argument is that “fruit” which prove your sanctification and thus prove your confession is true, is more important than miracles. This is like saying “how long have you been hitting your wife” loaded question.
Jesus says by asking and receiving miracles, you prove to be His disciples. Thus, by Billy’s own standard miracles are the most important thing we can be pursuing. According to Jesus, if you do not have miracles, then you prove you are chosen to be a reprobate.
I say this often, but fighting against God will always make you lose.
Points 2-3 are non-relevant points to my statement, and I only answered them to show the stupidity of them. Point (1) is the real issue.
It is true that God has made it so that pouring His love into us, is what gives Him glory. This is the ultimate end. However, like I said before, “for the glory of God” is so broad, it is meaningless unless defined. This is going to be obvious, but it needs to be said in light of the above stupidity. Because the way God ultimately glorifies Himself in us, is by pouring His love into us (the details), then if we truly want our life to be “for the glory of God,” then we need to receive the abundant love of God. Just being a theological troll by going to every site and posting “for the glory of God,” does not do the thing that brings God’s glory, which is to receive His love in our life. Paul in Ephesians 3 in the context of talking about the width, length, height, and depth of God’s love says that God will answer our request exceedingly beyond what we ask. Therefore in a miracle of financial provision, there were 12 large baskets left over. This is how God loved Jesus when His Son asked for help. We are now sons of God. God loves us as much as He loves Jesus, and as much as the Father loves Jesus, Jesus loves us the same love (John 15:9, 17:26).
You glorify God, not by how much you give love to God, but by how much you receive from God’s love. It is true that we love God by obeying His commands, and yet, it is these very commands that commands us to ask for miracles and receive them so that our joy my be full. God’s command includes more than this, but not less than. It is true that it is more blessed to give in human relationships, but with God it is more blessed to receive. Therefore Jesus rebuked Martha, because she had this backwards. Receiving is the “better part” in relation to God. When you are blessed, enriched and healed by receiving from God’s love, you glorify Him the most. Human superstition and speculation in pagan religions give to the gods to honor then, but in Christianity, we receive His abundant life and love and by this we honor the true God.
Thus, one miracle by a charismatic receives God’s love 1000 times more than 1000 reformed sermons, and thus glorifies God 1000 times more than 1000 reformed sermons. Solo Deo Miracles is how to give us all the joy. Solo Deo Miracles is how God loves us so much, as an end to itself. Solo Deo Miracles is how God gives Himself all the glory.
To start this section, I will shamelessly quote Gordon Clark, “God and Logic,” because he says it so well:
“Psalm 31:5 addresses God as “O Lord God of truth.” John 17:3 says,” This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God….” 1 John 5:6 says, “the Spirit is truth.” Such verses as these indicate that God is a rational, thinking being whose thought exhibits the structure of Aristotelian logic.
If anyone objects to Aristotelian logic in this connection-and presumably he does not want to replace it with the Boolean-Russellian symbolic logic-let him ask and answer whether it is true for God that if all dogs have teeth, some dogs-spaniels-have teeth? Do those who contrast this “merely human logic” with a divine logic mean that for God all dogs may have teeth while spaniels do not? Similarly, with “merely human” arithmetic: two plus two is four for man, but is it eleven for God? …
… It was God’s eternal purpose to have such liquids, and therefore we can say that the particularities of nature were determined before there was any nature.
Similarly in all other varieties of truth, God must be accounted sovereign. It is his decree that makes one proposition true and another false. Whether the proposition be physical, psychological, moral, or theological, it is God who made it that way. A proposition is true because God thinks it so.
Perhaps for a certain formal completeness, a sample of Scriptural documentation might be appropriate. Psalm147: 5 says, “God is our Lord, and of great power; his understanding is infinite.” If we cannot strictly conclude from this verse that God’s power is the origin of his understanding, at least there is no doubt that omniscience is asserted. 1 Samuel 2:3 says, “the Lord is a God of knowledge.” Ephesians 1:8 speaks of God’s wisdom and prudence. In Romans16: 27 we have the phrase, “God only wise,” and in 1 Timothy 1:17 the similar phrase, “the only wise God.”
Logic Is God
It is to be hoped that these remarks on the relation between God and truth will be seen as pertinent to the discussion of logic. In any case, the subject of logic can be more clearly introduced by one more Scriptural reference. The well-known prologue to John’s Gospel may be paraphrased, “In the beginning was Logic, and Logic was with God, and Logic was God…. In logic was life and the life was the light of men.”
This paraphrase-in fact, this translation-may not only sound strange to devout ears, it may even sound obnoxious and offensive. But the shock only measures the devout person’s distance from the language and thought of the Greek New Testament. Why it is offensive to call Christ Logic, when it does not offend to call him a word, is hard to explain. But such is often the case. Even Augustine, because he insisted that God is truth, has been subjected to the anti-intellectualistic accusation of “reducing” God to a proposition. At any rate, the strong intellectualism of the word Logos is seen in its several possible translations: to wit, computation, (financial) accounts, esteem, proportion and (mathematical) ratio, explanation, theory or argument, principle or law, reason, formula, debate, narrative, speech, deliberation, discussion, oracle, sentence, and wisdom.
Any translation of John 1:1 that obscures this emphasis on mind or reason is a bad translation. And if anyone complains that the idea of ratio or debate obscures the personality of the second person of the Trinity, he should alter his concept of personality. In the beginning, then, was Logic.
That Logic is the light of men is a proposition that could well introduce the section after next on the relation of logic to man. But the thought that Logic is God will bring us to the conclusion of the present section. Not only do the followers of Bernard entertain suspicions about logic, but also even more systematic theologians are wary of any proposal that would make an abstract principle superior to God. The present argument, in consonance with both Philo and Charnock, does not do so. The law of contradiction is not to betaken as an axiom prior to or independent of God. The law is God thinking.
For this reason also the law of contradiction is not subsequent to God. If one should say that logic is dependent on God’s thinking, it is dependent only in the sense that it is the characteristic of God’s thinking. It is not subsequent temporally, for God is eternal and there was never a time when God existed without thinking logically. One must not suppose that God’s will existed as an inert substance before he willed to think.
As there is no temporal priority, so also there is no logical or analytical priority. Not only was Logic the beginning, but Logic was God. If this unusual translation of John’s Prologue still disturbs someone, he might yet allow that God is his thinking. God is not a passive or potential substratum; he is actuality or activity. This is the philosophical terminology to express the Biblical idea that God is a living God. Hence logic is to be considered as the activity of God’s willing.
Although Aristotle’s theology is no better (and perhaps worse) than his epistemology, he used a phrase to describe God, which, with a slight change, may prove helpful. He defined God as “thought-thinking-thought.” Aristotle developed the meaning of this phrase so as to deny divine omniscience. But if we are clear that the thought which thought thinks includes thought about a world to be created-in Aristotle God has no knowledge of things inferior to him-the Aristotelian definition of God as “thought-thinking-thought” may help us to understand that logic, the law of contradiction, is neither prior to nor subsequent to God’s activity.
This conclusion may disturb some analytical thinkers. They may wish to separate logic and God. Doing so, they would complain that the present construction merges two axioms into one. And if two, one of them must be prior; in which case we would have to accept God without logic, or logic without God; and the other one afterward. But this is not the presupposition here proposed. God and logic are one and the same first principle, for John wrote that Logic was God. At the moment this much must suffice to indicate the relation of God to logic. We now pass to what at the beginning seemed to be the more pertinent question of logic and Scripture…
… On this basis-that is, on the basis that Scripture is the mind of God-the relation to logic can easily be made clear. As might be expected, if God has spoken, he has spoken logically. The Scripture therefore should and does exhibit logical organization. For example, Romans 4:2 is an enthymematic hypothetical destructive syllogism. Romans 5:13 is a hypothetical constructive syllogism. 1 Corinthians 15:15-18 is a sorites. Obviously, examples of standard logical forms such as these could be listed at great length.
There is, of course, much in Scripture that is not syllogistic. The historical sections are largely narrative; yet every declarative sentence is a logical unit. These sentences are truths; as such they are objects of knowledge. Each of them has, or perhaps we should say, each of them is a predicate attached to a subject. Only so can they convey meaning.
Even in the single words themselves, as is most clearly seen in the cases of nouns and verbs, logic is embedded. If Scripture says, David was King of Israel, it does not mean that David was President of Babylon; and surely it does not mean that Churchill was Prime Minister of China. That is to say, the words David, King, and Israel have definite meanings.[1]“
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The important take away from this is elementary level easy. The Bible actually as a doctrine and teaching about logic. Some doctrines only have a few verses, but this topic on logic has many. Thus, any Christian who refuses to understand what the bible teaches on this subject and not obey it, is to be excommunicated. Since all thinking about scripture involves logic, then it is important to know what our God says about this and then follow it
The basic laws of logic are nothing more than faithful motions of the Mind of God. These are motions that His Mind always moves within. We then point out one of these particular constant motions and then give it a name like, The Law of Contradiction or Law of Identity (etc.). Some of these motions are so constant and rudimentary for God’s Mind, that if we who are made in His image do not think using these motions, we simply stop thinking altogether, because we stop being a mind. A mind is a system of propositions. The laws of logic are structure or motions that these propositions are to move in. Some mistakes are worse than others. There are some so basic, that if you do not use them, then the system of proposition’s stop working completely, or there is no movement. It becomes nothing more than a unthinking page from a book.
To say God is logic, is like saying God is the I AM. It is so part of His Mind, you cannot remove it without removing God. It is also like saying superman is Clark Kent, or Clark Kent is Superman. In this case it is rare in that it can be said either as a prediction (to give us understanding), but also as an identity “is” statement.
Mark 4:30, “Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?”
When put in a syllogism it shows Jesus Christ is stating premises 2 and 3 of a Modus Tollens.
This little syllogism shows the positive first (faith) and the negative in the consequent (fear). This is a statement about reality about stating a positive in antecedent and denying the contradiction as a necessary consequence. Very basic, but very important foundations for having a correct understanding of reality.
Thus, faith and fear do not belong together. Any teaching that tries to put these together is false. We also see the moral lesson from Jesus. Jesus expects a return on His investment. He has deposited faith into His children and expects a return of faith being produced and not the contradiction of fear.
(1) (p) If you have faith, (~q) then you do not have fear.
“(1) I see a different interpretation of scripture. Anxiety is a God given emotion. It is useful. It can keep us physically safe and can drive us to God. (2) Jesus had so much anxiety in the Garden of Gethsemane that he sweat blood. Jesus didn’t try sweep away his anxiety, Jesus didn’t blame his anxiety on the enemy, he accepted it and endured it and went to God in prayer – (3) not to get help with anxiety, but to get help with the cause of the anxiety. (4) The Bible never promises prosperity in this life. (5) It does say that we will have trouble and that we should consider our struggles joy. (6) I think accepting our anxiety and learning to live with it while we walk with God will bring about (7) character development and the deepening of our faith.”
I added the numbers to make this easy to follow.
1. The author says if God gives something, then it is helpful to bring us to God. The unspoken premise here is about ethics. If God cause this “x” type of metaphysics, and x type of metaphysics leads us to God, then we “ought” (ethic) to embrace x type of metaphysics.
This is blasphemy. Ethics is only produced by the commands and precepts of God. Any deviation from this is irrational and human speculation. What God creates or causes is not an ethic. If God causes the prophet to give a false prophecy (Ezekiel 14:9) this causation does not make a false prophecy ethically good. A false prophecy is always wrong because God commands man not to give false prophecy. Ethics is produced by God’s command and nothing else.
Also, to go from metaphysics (God created this or caused this) to metamorphic into an ethic, is no less irrational than saying 5s are blue and 8s are slow. It is a category fallacy. A mind can no less comprehend “5 blues” as they can, “God caused x, therefore ethic.” This is how man invents ethics so that they can reject God. Non-Christians do this for obvious reasons; however, so-called Christians to this so that they can look pious as they throw their middle finger at God.
We are commanded to only fear God. We are to feel anxiety, fear and shame if we rebel against God. It is good feel afraid if you do not fear God. This is the only fear we are allowed by the commands of God to experience. Every other anxiety and fear is breaking God’s command. WE are not to feel anxiety or worry about man, money, our health, relationships and the future (etc.) We are to overcome them in faith, joy and righteousness.
(2) Jesus experienced anxiety leading up to the cross, because He was a condemned man, without hope facing God’s punishment. He should never have known this. He experienced it for our sakes, not His. He is experiencing what it means to face the wrath of God, with no way out. This is what we should have experienced. Jesus experienced this, in our place so that we do NOT experience it. Thus, to use this to say we ought to experience anxiety, is to trample on the suffering of Jesus as a worthless thing, in that even the things Jesus substituted for us, we still must go through them ourselves.
(3) This makes no sense? If you get rid of the thing that is causing anxiety, then you get rid of the anxiety. Thus, you get rid of the anxiety. When a person wants to get rid of anxiety, they will directly seek the cause (to get rid of it), with the goal that it will get rid of the anxiety. Thus, to seek the cause, is (in relation of the person’s goal) seeking to get rid of the anxiety. Why do I need to say this to adults, as if they don’t know this?
(4) This point has no rational connection to the previous 3 points. Also, it is blandly false. There are many such promises, but we will deal with one that is directly tired to the gospel. Paul says in 2 Corinthians that Jesus suffered poverty in our place so that we experience His wealth. It is said to Christians, who Paul was asking for an offering . You cannot spiritualize this away. This statement is mocking the gospel and blood of Jesus Christ.
(5) This statement is true as far as it goes. The bible does make a distinction between common everyday troubles, such as money, health and relationships, and the other category of troubles directly related to persecution for the gospel’s sake. With the first type of troubles we are commanded to be victorious through faith in God’s promise.
(6) The implied connection here, from point 5, is irrational. The author without warrant, manufactured out of nothing that “anxiety” is part of the troubles that God supposedly gives us. After this, the irrational transformation of an ethic from metaphysics comes up again: therefore we ought to embrace anxiety from God as a good thing. Demonic.
(7) Character development is not produced by anxiety. The bible never says this. It comes from inner growth and strength. This is produced by the renewing of the mind. Experience, is the worse teacher there is. God’s word, is however, the only good teacher. Experiences do not give better character, rather is the word of God and faith that gives better character as we seek Him and His promises when we are troubled.
As for faith, the bible explicitly says faith comes by hearing the word of God, and not something else.
There is much bad teaching about the “will of God,” regarding prayer and faith, and so I do not fault you for being confused and looking for direction.
Due to the large volume of bad teaching on this I could write a book about it. However, for brevity I will say a few generalized things, and then address your specific question about Jesus’ prayer.
1. The term “will of God,” can either mean, “God’s sovereign decree or control (etc),” or it can refer to God’s commandments and precepts. These are vastly different subjects. The context will determine this. Thus, make sure that you do not have confusion about this because you are making a category fallacy by mixing this up with specific passages. Even seasoned theologians make this mistake.
2. When it comes to healing and faith in prayer, the bible, almost never, and referring Jesus, NEVER refers to the “will of God.” Instead, the reference is to the “will of man.” This is the main hilltop the bible address. Jesus never said, “according to the will of God,” you are healed, or saved from sins. Jesus kept saying things like, “your faith has saved or healed you.” Your faith to be healed is about your “will” to be relieved from this pain and to feel better. Jesus says it is your faith (your will) that heals you, not God’s.
3. When we address God specifically in prayer to ask for things, we relate to Him on the issue of the “will of man,”[1] because this is how God has relationship to us. Of course, we are never to forget the sovereignty of God and His decrees, but we do not directly talk to Him and receive from Him on this level. Jesus said, if “you” seek, the “you” will find. If “you” ask, then “you” will receive. Jesus said if His words abide in you and you in Him, “you” will ask whatever you want and “you” will get it. This “will of man,” or the human level, is how God has “direct” relationship or fellowship with “you.” The super prophet Isaiah told king Hezekiah that he was going to die. This was obviously God’s will because God said it, or is God a liar? Even if God is testing, God does not lie. King Hezekiah, did not have direct relationship with God by saying, “This is your “will,” so I accept this.” No, he asked God to have mercy on him and heal him. Hezekiah had relationship with God on the foundation of “the will of man.” God accepted both his relationship and faith, and God added 15 years back to him.
About your specific question when Jesus prays, “not my will, but your will be done.”
Two things.
One is the context. Jesus is already in a formal contract and agreement with the Father for ministry. Most of us are NOT in this context. Let that sink in. The apostle Paul, was in this context. The Holy Spirit said he would go to specific cites to preach and would suffer. Paul accepted this ministry call from God. After Paul accepts this ministry, he is not “free” to leave. He gave God his word or vow, and so he must fulfill it. Thus, you read Paul in end of Romans saying, he wants to go to Spain, if “the Lord wills.” In context of his specific ministry call and the things he has promised to do for God in ministry, this makes sense. If going to Spain was not part of the original call and agreement, then Paul can only ask if God would make an amendment to the original agreement. In this type of “context,” God might or might not. The same for Jesus. Jesus has already agreed to do the “will of God,” (sovereign plan of redemption). In this context it makes sense to say, “if there is a way to change the contract so that I do not have to go through this, then do so, but since I have already agreed to this, I will do it no matter what.” In essence, Jesus ends this prayer in a prayer of dedication, so that the prayer as a whole, is based on “dedication,” with a particular point, “if there can be an amendment to the contract.” The next point will show the significance of this. Most of us, and even many in ministry are not in these types of binding agreements with God. And thus, in this alone, Jesus’ prayer is not applicable to the vast majority of all types of prayer. The fallacy people make here is to take a particular type of prayer and context and apply it in a general way.
This is obviously not applicable to normal everyday troubles, where God explicitly gives many promises that He wants to answer the prayers of the “will of man,” to be helped, healed and blessed.
Second. Prayer has 2 basic mode types. One is a prayer of dedication and other is petition. (Even praise could be categorized as dedication). If you do one type, you cannot do the other. They exclude the other. You either do one or the other.
Dedication is asking God for His plans and will to be done.
Petitions is asking God to do you plans and will.
It is true that sometimes we have overlapping desires. In our human relationships, even if there is mutual desires, if we want to be “sincere,” for example in buying a gift for a family member, we will do all we can to buy the gift we know “they” want, and not us. Therefore, if you are to be “sincere” with God in prayer, you must either do a dedication prayer or petition type prayer, and not mix them up. People will mix them up and play the part of a hypocritical Pharisee. They asked God to bless their will, but, in order to appear more humble than they are, will reverse their petition prayer into a dedication prayer by saying, “if it is your will.” Logically, such a prayer is not even a prayer, because the contradictory prayers cancel each other out. Its like saying this to your husband, “I bought this dress for me, but not my will, but yours be done, therefore, this dress is for you.” Not only does it not make since, it comes across as false humility.
You do not need to manipulate God like this. Pray with clarity and to the point. If you dedicate something like praise, or time, money or hard work to God’s will and desires, then let it be just that. If you are asking for God to bless your will and desire, then let it be just that.
God’s will and plan is to bless your will and plan, when they are asked in sincere faith, in accordance with God’s promise. Because God gave promises to bless us, we know that God has already convinced Himself to bless our will and plans. He wanted this. If you have faith, the Father will give you what you ask. He wants to bless you. He likes faith. God does not like convoluted, contradictory, manipulated and false humanity prayers.
Asks and receive. It really is that simple. God likes this.
[1] This phrase and focus of the “Will of man,” by Vincent Cheung, from his essay, “Healing: the Will of Man.”